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[MoonUnitBeta]

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Catapult K2 - Tier 3 Skirmisher

Medium Laser Range +7.5%
Energy Weapon Range +7.5%
Medium Laser Duration -7.5%
Laser Weapon Duration -7.5%
Ballistic Weapon Cooldown +10%

Just wondering if you guys have any input why there's no PPC's in there?

Yes I get that Energy weapon quirks affect ppc's, but why are medium lasers preferred when stock loadout is PPC's?

Edit: Cleaned up the quote. (got rid of the color=#FF65418 stuff)

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 28 October 2014 - 10:47 PM.

[Mothykins]

Decisive lack of intelligence, and listening to competitive loadouts. I:

You know how I was raising the Hunkback quirks and giving them heck for them? (Med las, AC10. Really.)

This is worse. This is legit turning the K2 into a worse Jager. That is it.

[John1352]

Some of the weapons specific quirks posted today are a joke that will not improve the mechs at all (but the general ones will). Small laser range bonus? Ok, maybe the small laser will go from being 1/3rd as good as a medium laser to half as good, but the good builds will use MLs.

Those catapult bonuses are just silly, people use PPCs or ballistics on that, sometimes both or large lasers, medium lasers are rare.

[White Bear 84]

MoonUnitBeta, on 28 October 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Just wondering if you guys have any input why there's no PPC's in there?

Yes I get that Energy weapon quirks affect ppc's, but why are medium lasers preferred when stock loadout is PPC's?

But what about gauss!!

[Y E O N N E]

MoonUnitBeta, on 28 October 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Just wondering if you guys have any input why there's no PPC's in there?

Yes I get that Energy weapon quirks affect ppc's, but why are medium lasers preferred when stock loadout is PPC's?

Probably because PPCs are not unique to the K2. While that's what they had in lore, any Catapult apart from the A1 can run them. The ballistics, on the other hand, are entirely unique to the K2 and are the real reason for buying the 'Mech.

[Mothykins]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 October 2014 - 09:41 PM, said:

Probably because PPCs are not unique to the K2. While that's what they had in lore, any Catapult apart from the A1 can run them. The ballistics, on the other hand, are entirely unique to the K2 and are the real reason for buying the 'Mech.

EXCEPT IF YOU WANT THE DAKKA, YOU GETS THE JAGER.



I have a Million Cbills down, right now, that the reason the K2 is not getting a PPC buff is because the Firebrand IS.

[Brody319]

I use 2 ER Large lasers, 2 Large lasers, and 2 machine guns. So my mech got quite a boost.

The extra range applies to all energy weapons, so the K2's PPCs and ERPPCs are actually longer range, so that is a plus, maybe they will buff the speed.

Do we know if the quirks stack? Like 4 medium lasers would benefit from all the perks besides the ballistic one?

[Kjudoon]

Here's my view on the buffs.

Do not expect a single buff to the meta builds on any chassis. They don't need it. These quirks are to combat those meta builds and enforce a more traditional TT flavor to the chassis.

That's my view on it. I don't run a K2 because I don't like the style of play it needs to be successful.

That said, none of these quirks stop you from doing the K2 Noskillsapult (my new title for any Dual Gauss/Dual 20s mech) They just won't be bonus buffed because it was not the original design intent.

Edited by Kjudoon, 28 October 2014 - 09:47 PM.

[Triordinant]

White Bear 84, on 28 October 2014 - 09:39 PM, said:

But what about gauss!!

Doesn't the Grid Iron use a Gauss in its stock loadout? Why does it have a Quirk bonus to UAC 5s it doesn't normally carry?

[El Bandito]

Cavale, on 28 October 2014 - 09:43 PM, said:

EXCEPT IF YOU WANT THE DAKKA, YOU GETS THE JAGER.

We are talking only about the uniqueness between the Catapult chassis here. No need to compare it with another chassis.

[Mothykins]

Kjudoon, on 28 October 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Here's my view on the buffs.

Do not expect a single buff to the meta builds on any chassis. They don't need it. These quirks are to combat those meta builds and enforce a more traditional TT flavor to the chassis.

That's my view on it. I don't run a K2 because I don't like the style of play it needs to be successful.

That said, none of these quirks stop you from doing the K2 Noskillsapult (my new title for any Dual Gauss/Dual 20s mech) They just won't be bonus buffed because it was not the original design intent.

EXCEPT THEY'RE BUFFING THE GAUSS CAT.

This IS a Meta buff.

[El Bandito]

Triordinant, on 28 October 2014 - 09:47 PM, said:

Doesn't the Grid Iron use a Gauss in its stock loadout? Why does it have a Quirk bonus to UAC 5s it doesn't normally carry?

Dual ballistic slot can fit two UAC5s for quite a punch. Plus, it already has ballistic quirk buffs that will positively affect the Gauss anyway.

[Brody319]

Cavale, on 28 October 2014 - 09:47 PM, said:

EXCEPT THEY'RE BUFFING THE GAUSS CAT.

This IS a Meta buff.

Isnt the ballistic cool down an extra 10%? so it increases the cool down on gausscats.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Kjudoon, on 28 October 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Here's my view on the buffs.
Do not expect a single buff to the meta builds on any chassis. They don't need it. These quirks are to combat those meta builds and enforce a more traditional TT flavor to the chassis.
That's my view on it.

Except they don't. I want the quirks to push the traditional (Battletech) roles for these mechs. But they are clearly catering to the "expert meta-game opinions". Look at the Centurion quirks, notice all the SRM buffs. Now look at the SARNA entry, and count the number of SRMs on the multitude of Centurion variants, in case you are too lazy to click the link, the answer is ZERO. However almost every other medium mech in MWO does carry an SRM and would be a better candidate: Kintaro, Wolverine, Shadowhawk, Hunchback, Trebuchet, etc.

[Mothykins]

Brody319, on 28 October 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:

Isnt the ballistic cool down an extra 10%? so it increases the cool down on gausscats.

Let me quote Russ:

" Yes Cooldown is represented with a + symbol but that means being able to fire your weapon faster."

Unless you really think that the Locust is getting a 50% slowdown to is lasers. as a buff. I:

Edited by Cavale, 28 October 2014 - 09:54 PM.

[Destoroyah]

I gotta agree with the Op the K2 was designed around the high mounted PPC's being the main weapon it's not supposed to be a ballistic mech. While I do believe there is a catapult variant that has guass in the arms at some point. If you want a ballistic heavy mech their are so many other heavy chassis that feature ballistics as their primary focus, but few that support PPC focus. So I think they completely missed the mark on this one.

[Alek Ituin]

Cavale, on 28 October 2014 - 09:38 PM, said:

You know how I was raising the Hunkback quirks and giving them heck for them? (Med las, AC10. Really.)

Oh, you mean the HBK-4H? The Hunchback variant built around an AC/10 and Medium Lasers?

It's actually one of the quirk sets that reinforces a canon loadout instead of a competitive player's loadout.

[Mothykins]

Alek Ituin, on 28 October 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

Oh, you mean the HBK-4H? The Hunchback variant built around an AC/10 and Medium Lasers?

It's actually one of the quirk sets that reinforces a canon loadout instead of a competitive player's loadout.

Yes, I know. I was giving it heck before though, because it was Pigeon holing the Mech into that role 100% not because it was reinforcing stock loadouts. That was an example of 100% forcing a stock loadout with little customization.

This is a show of what happens when you go in entirely the wrong direction. There's no real help for the stock mech, It turns into a rather bland wanna-be-Jager, and is shoe-horned into a role that it's clearly not meant for. Which I find much worse than being overzealous with the stock reinforcement.

PPC K2 is loved as PPC K2. Folks want it to be good as PPC K2. Not meta-gargle-swill-gauss-laser.

Edited by Cavale, 28 October 2014 - 10:10 PM.

[Kjudoon]

Cavale, on 28 October 2014 - 09:47 PM, said:

EXCEPT THEY'RE BUFFING THE GAUSS CAT.

This IS a Meta buff.

Incidental because they buffed all ballistics a little bit. IN GENERAL... this wasn't a high five for the meta players from what I saw.

As for the SRM Centurion thing, apparently this is the delineation that PGI chose to make the Centurion an SRM based mech to be complimented by the Trebuchet as the long range analog. No, it's not SARNA compliant, but in some ways it's true to the character of the mech as it's evolved in MWO.

PGI, is essentially creating 'classes' for all mechs to fall into: Brawler, Skirmisher, Support, Recon and basing them on varients of each chassis. I may have missed one but this seems to be the direction they're going. I wouldn't be surprised that if in the future, we see more varients show up using this philosophy.

[Kjudoon]

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[color=#959595]Not meta-gargle-swill-gauss-laser. [/color]

I snorted with laughter.