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[Catra Lanis]

So we have won, there are 7 of us left and only 2 enemies. I am badly shot up and one of the enemies comes my way. My team stand and wait for him to kill me because they know that I can't take him in the shape I am in. They wait just to make sure that there is one guy less to compete for the kill.

This tournament brings out the worst in players.

[ibex230]

Queue with friends or play better.

[Joseph Mallan]

ibex230, on 22 November 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

Queue with friends or play better.

You don't seem to understand Teamwork ibex...

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 November 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

You don't seem to understand Teamwork ibex...

Sadly there are more Ibex's out this weekend, than not.

[IllCaesar]

This tournament is actively encouraging abandoning your teammates, damaging them so that the enemy has a better chance of killing them so you're more likely to get a kill in the match, and outright team killing. I blame, entirely, the survive condition because it invalidates brawling and skirmishing playsyles.

[Remarius]

Catra Lanis, on 22 November 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

So we have won, there are 7 of us left and only 2 enemies. I am badly shot up and one of the enemies comes my way. My team stand and wait for him to kill me because they know that I can't take him in the shape I am in. They wait just to make sure that there is one guy less to compete for the kill.

This tournament brings out the worst in players.

You may want to take those meds.

You're mistaking them not being willing to risk their point for you with being after you. It REALLY isn't the same thing.

Besides every now any again you'll get a save and your saviour will die... wondering why they even tried because all you did was mouth off....

Sadly me twice today but at least the second person thanked me very graciously after I successfully puleld 2 lights and 2 heavies off his awesome... to be legged and die just as he made cover. I don't regret it but.....

[Moonlander]

We had someone TK 3 of our people while we were up about 5 kills on the enemy... because he hadn't gotten a kill yet and was complaining during the match that everyone stealing his kills.

[Remarius]

MarsAtlas, on 22 November 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

This tournament is actively encouraging abandoning your teammates, damaging them so that the enemy has a better chance of killing them so you're more likely to get a kill in the match, and outright team killing. I blame, entirely, the survive condition because it invalidates brawling and skirmishing playsyles.

The paranoia is strong in this one.... or he's simply voicing what he's been doing....

[TimePeriod]

I really hope PGI is using this to weed out some of the nutjobs and troll's amongst the general population.

[IllCaesar]

Remarius, on 22 November 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:

The paranoia is strong in this one.... or he's simply voicing what he's been doing....

Literally one post above you.

[Foxfire kadrpg]

How is this tournament encouraging abandoning teammates? You have to WIN to get your credit, the more of your teammates are alive, the more likely that will happen? If I am not actively taking fire, I look on my radar for friendlies doing the "I'm in a duel" spin and start shooting at the things shooting at them.

If this tournament only required a kill, I could understand the LRM fest from cover, but good gravy, folks. Those other mechs on your side are AVAILABLE FIREPOWER.

[Catra Lanis]

Remarius, on 22 November 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

You may want to take those meds.

You're mistaking them not being willing to risk their point for you with being after you. It REALLY isn't the same thing.

Besides every now any again you'll get a save and your saviour will die... wondering why they even tried because all you did was mouth off....

Sadly me twice today but at least the second person thanked me very graciously after I successfully puleld 2 lights and 2 heavies off his awesome... to be legged and die just as he made cover. I don't regret it but.....

I believe you are wrong, everybody were in range and saw what was happening. They could have downed the guy very fast with no risk to themselves, 6-1 and he wasn't fresh. I was so badly shot up that he killed me fast, how exactly did it increase the risk to them if they had fired at him at once instead of waiting?

[Myke Pantera]

I try not to kill softened enemies after i've got my own kill, unless I need to in order to survive or help winning the match, and I have seen others doing the same, so not all is lost.

However i'm quite annoyed by kills 'stolen' from me repeatedly by the same LRM boat time and time again. He 5 kills, I 11 assists, no kill... Thanks man, a pleasure risking my light ass for you... NOT

[IllCaesar]

Foxfire kadrpg, on 22 November 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

How is this tournament encouraging abandoning teammates? You have to WIN to get your credit, the more of your teammates are alive, the more likely that will happen?

But if you die in the process, its a failure to get the point anyways. I've seen people ditching their teammates once they secured a kill to go back to base and hide, and it only took until my second match to see it happen, where three teammates did that, and they were all above 85% health. They're banking on the rest of the team winning while they sit out. I've been seeing it happen over, and over, and over again.

[ibex230]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 November 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

You don't seem to understand Teamwork ibex...

I think you are over exaggerating the situation you faced. They didn't want to risk dying just to save you and that made you so mad you had to start a thread about it.

It's you who don't teamwork when you can't see that sacrificing an individual can be crucial for the success of a team.
They sacrificed you (a barely walking mech) in order to lure and kill another mech without risking killing more team mates.

Godspeed and happy gaming!

[Moonlander]

Except he didn't make a thread about it.

[Alienized]

ibex230, on 22 November 2014 - 11:56 AM, said:

I think you are over exaggerating the situation you faced. They didn't want to risk dying just to save you and that made you so mad you had to start a thread about it.

It's you who don't teamwork when you can't see that sacrificing an individual can be crucial for the success of a team.
They sacrificed you (a barely walking mech) in order to lure and kill another mech without risking killing more team mates.

Godspeed and happy gaming!

dude when its 7vs2 no one has to sacrifice. no idea what was in your mind as you wrote that but obviously you didnt read.
a single flank can save badly torn up mechs.
ppl are just too dumb and scared to play as a team, supporting badly damaged teammates is also a thing you dont see much.

[Pjwned]

MarsAtlas, on 22 November 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

This tournament is actively encouraging abandoning your teammates, damaging them so that the enemy has a better chance of killing them so you're more likely to get a kill in the match, and outright team killing. I blame, entirely, the survive condition because it invalidates brawling and skirmishing playsyles.

You just said they do that so that they're more likely to get a kill in the match, I think that indicates the problem is the kill requirement more than the survive requirement.

Moonlander, on 22 November 2014 - 11:17 AM, said:

We had someone TK 3 of our people while we were up about 5 kills on the enemy... because he hadn't gotten a kill yet and was complaining during the match that everyone stealing his kills.

I mean...come on, how much more proof do you need than something like this? This wouldn't happen if people were not required to get a kill to get any tournament points.

Edited by Pjwned, 22 November 2014 - 12:18 PM.

[ibex230]

Aliisa White, on 22 November 2014 - 12:02 PM, said:

dude when its 7vs2 no one has to sacrifice. no idea what was in your mind as you wrote that but obviously you didnt read.
a single flank can save badly torn up mechs.
ppl are just too dumb and scared to play as a team, supporting badly damaged teammates is also a thing you dont see much.

Did you see the entire battlefield? How do you know they would be able to save you? How do you know they intentionally let you die?

"obviously" didn't read"
Sure thing champ, just because I don't agree with your neurotic take on how a team should behave I must obviously be trolling you, right?


Take it for what it is; an online game with teams made up of random people. Some will be helpful, some will be rude, some will be nice etc etc. Just do your own thing and don't let things like this get to you. Enjoy your weekend and happy hunting!

[Prezimonto]

MarsAtlas, on 22 November 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

This tournament is actively encouraging abandoning your teammates, damaging them so that the enemy has a better chance of killing them so you're more likely to get a kill in the match, and outright team killing. I blame, entirely, the survive condition because it invalidates brawling and skirmishing playsyles.

It's not the survive condition. It's the lack of objectives as the reason for "victory". Survival should be a goal in the game, in balance against greater objectives. Kills only encourages this type of behavior, if instead the victory condition had been 8 assists, survive, and win we wouldn't be seeing this.