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[QueenBlade]

The High Command of CSJ has decided not to defend this planet, and instead left the 228 to defend alone. We won our engagements, but due to a lack of support from the Clan much honor was gained by 228 even though the planet was lost. At one point the planet was seen to have over 70 attackers. Such a large number of resources was used against us, and the forces we were paired against were defeated on the battlefield in the final two hours of the attack phase.

http://imgur.com/a/wd56k

[Deathlike]

It's kinda sad, but whatever I guess.

The bigger problem is that it didn't open up a Kurita route for GB, so it's kind of all for naught.

What we should actually be more concerned about is that attack vector by Steiner that we can't actually attack back.

Ironically, Steiner has access to Tukayyid and not FRR (FRR has the other planet Lothan).

We need to secure Jabuka in order to put a foothold in Steiner space.

Edited by Deathlike, 04 February 2015 - 11:20 PM.

[Kain Demos]

Deathlike, on 04 February 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

It's kinda sad, but whatever I guess.

The bigger problem is that it didn't open up a Kurita route for GB, so it's kind of all for naught.

What we should actually be more concerned about is that attack vector by Steiner that we can't actually attack back.

Ironically, Steiner has access to Tukayyid and not FRR (FRR has the other planet Lothan).

We need to secure Jabuka in order to put a foothold in Steiner space.

We had that same problem with Steiner for over a week. This algorithm is messed up that way, hopefully a patch in the near future will fix it.

[Deathlike]

Kain Thul, on 04 February 2015 - 11:59 PM, said:

We had that same problem with Steiner for over a week. This algorithm is messed up that way, hopefully a patch in the near future will fix it.

I'm almost convinced it's easier to prod Russ to add some additional attack vectors randomly... like the Marik "wormhole" to allow GB and/or other factions to fight in areas that they wouldn't normally have access to... simply to spice things up.

Otherwise, we're just attacking the same guys forever.

[Devil Fox]

Deathlike, on 05 February 2015 - 12:20 AM, said:

I'm almost convinced it's easier to prod Russ to add some additional attack vectors randomly... like the Marik "wormhole" to allow GB and/or other factions to fight in areas that they wouldn't normally have access to... simply to spice things up.

Otherwise, we're just attacking the same guys forever.

That's a pretty good idea... it would be very interesting if a new vector opened up for most factions... hell a random wormhole per faction every couple of weeks might actually open up new lanes and more interesting fights, it would also probably let populations stabilise amongst the factions as there will always be a fight.

[Volkodav]

Bears are bears

[Amarus Cameron]

I'm surprised we might allow the split of our OZ, contiguous territory has many benefits.

[pbiggz]

nobody defended because nobody wanted to. Mercstar makes lives miserable.

[Peter2000]

pbiggz, on 05 February 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

nobody defended because nobody wanted to. Mercstar makes lives miserable.

How do you figure? Its primarily streakrushes all day. Straightforward enough to counter and farm, if you're coordinated.

Also, if you're having trouble fighting them, they're exactly the people you *should* be fighting, since it will force you to get better to beat them.

[QueenBlade]

pbiggz, on 05 February 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

nobody defended because nobody wanted to. Mercstar makes lives miserable.

MercStar can be defeated, as clearly shown in the screenshots provided. Stop giving up before you even play.

[QueenBlade]

Do not forgot that it was Clan Ghost Bear that first took other Clan worlds, starting on the second day of Operation Revival when they attacked both Clan Wolf and us, Clan Smoke Jaguar.

Do not forgot that it is Clan Ghost Bear who has taken the most worlds from other Clans.

The proof is in the API and the reports made after every attack phase on reddit/r/outreachhpg.

[Vlad Ward]

Peter2000, on 05 February 2015 - 10:07 AM, said:

Also, if you're having trouble fighting them, they're exactly the people you *should* be fighting, since it will force you to get better to beat them.

It has more to do with the fact that we used to be in MercStar. I don't mind the salt too much, but some of our members would just rather not re-open a year and a half old can of llama.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 05 February 2015 - 10:58 AM.

[Prussian Havoc]

QueenBlade, on 04 February 2015 - 11:05 PM, said:

The High Command of CSJ has decided not to defend this planet, and instead left the 228 to defend alone...(snip)...much honor was gained by 228 even though the planet was lost...(snip)... http://imgur.com/a/wd56k

Thank you QueenBlade, your screen-captures were put to good use: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4167493

WOW!

The "HIGH COMAND OF CSJ"...sounds quite impressive...

...since when did we disparate group of largely parochial Unit concerns, who occasionally act in near-aggregate-accord gain a UNIFIED AND MONOLITHIC "High Command of CSJ?"

I understand why you are portraying it as such, but speaking as a gamer who has been here in Smoke Jaguar from HOUR ONE of DAY ONE, we ain't gots none o' dat round here! Some of us ascribe to compelling a UNIFIED Command into existence, it just has NOT happened yet.

Thus you immediately degrade an otherwise VERY IMPORTANT THREAD.


For this next part, let us review the bidding between Deadfire and I of less than 2-days ago:

1. I publish - http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4156898

2. Deadfire and I speak at length about Tanh Linh and how MercStar and 228 will hold PRE-ARRANGED combats on Tanh Linh to BOTH provide #FullGamingUtilizatiin for their respective gamers AND to decide in true Clan Faction the fate of Tanh Linh. I adjust my OP at: http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4156898 to account for precisely the dynamics Deadfire indicated.

3. As warned (by Deadfire) fighting erupts on Tanh Linh.

4. Hours go by, all the while I and just about all other Smoke Jaguars think MercStar and 228 are (having completed their Factional items of work for that day) having a blast working as Clan on Clan tensions, developing extensive new Techniques, Tactics and Procedures

5. Based the apparent and announced (link above) MercStar and 228 had simple commenced mutually acceptable "Practice"/potential repatriation of Tanh Linh.

Until word spread hours after the problem started, MANY of us were simply gaming under the mistaken impression the numbers queuing on Tanh Linh were right and proper and in complete accordance with the link provided.


And finally, 100% aff - much honor and glory did accrue toward 228 and to the shame of Antonius Rex and his decreasing apportionment of MercStar.

Credibility only lasts until thrown away, and much MercStar and more Rex credibility was lost this day in my opinion.

Amarus Cameron, on 05 February 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

I'm surprised we might allow the split of our OZ, contiguous territory has many benefits.

It is Beta.

There are ZERO benefits to contiguous borders... ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH. (PERIOD, FULL-STOP)


Now, as an aside, I would hope at some point prior to Launch, PGI experiments with contiguous borders and enveloped worlds/capitals. There SHOULD be an impact, you are correct in that. In the above comment, I just wanted to firmly establish that there are no advantages to a contiguous, a chance to border... Indeed, alternating Unit leadership of worlds within a given area creat natural firebreaks to would-be attackers.

pbiggz, on 05 February 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

nobody defended because nobody wanted to. Mercstar makes lives miserable.

While our game engenders a lot of emotions, misery is not one oft them.

QueenBlade, on 05 February 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

Do not forgot that it was Clan Ghost Bear that first took other Clan worlds, starting on the second day of Operation Revival when they attacked both Clan Wolf and us, Clan Smoke Jaguar.

Do not forgot that it is Clan Ghost Bear who has taken the most worlds from other Clans.

The proof is in the API and the reports made after every attack phase on reddit/r/outreachhpg.

Mistakes of the past are forgiven, the peace of the present will DIRECTLY lead to the Inner Sphere having dual (or more) threats to defend against rather than be able to concentrate the bulk of its combat strength against a lone, isolated and solitary Smoke Jaguar.

Surely many can see the inherent value in focusing the Inner Sphere to divide it combat power across 2 or more Clan Fronts?


Quiaff?

Edited by Prussian Havoc, 05 February 2015 - 12:42 PM.

[QueenBlade]

And when other CGB units other than MercStar were discovered on planet, we asked for support from other CSJ units on Strana Mechty TS, but were told that they were ordered not to defend the planet from higher ups.

If you wish for names, here is a couple you can start with...

Galaxy Commander Lukoi Banacek of the SmokeAlliance informed us that they were ordered to not defend the planet.
We even asked DERP who was on as well. They said they would, but they never came.

228 defended Clan Smoke Jaguar's honor to the fullest, even when their enemies, and Clan brethren did not.

[bobF]

http://mwomercs.com/...ur-matches-but/

[T K O]

Ya I'm not very happy about this situation. Last night of all nights my mic takes a Gia t dump on me so I had to stay mute the whole night. I suggested that DERP refocus to here but then unit mates brought up the "no we are giving them an attack lane to DC" and other non-relevant comments. MS isn't not beatable, we did it twice in the same night last week with a 10 man faction group. Again sorry DERP didn't show for the fight, I won't let it happen again, get ahold of me in comms if necessary.

[Peter2000]

bobF, on 05 February 2015 - 11:20 AM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...ur-matches-but/

Um, there were up to 4 12-mans against our 2 12-mans (max). You can see the numbers by looking at the planet queue.

Therefore 1. They WERE getting ghost drops. This was further confirmed by looking at the new illustrations of which sections were under attack, and where our 12-mans were getting drops. 2. We were on defense the vast majority of the time (due to their extra 12-mans already being in the queue, starting the attack timer), meaning that our wins only stopped the advance, and could not push it back.

If our defensive victories had moved the counter, we would actually have held the planet.

Edited by Peter2000, 05 February 2015 - 11:29 AM.

[QueenBlade]

There issue is not that we were out numbered. The issue is that both factions agreed to a trial of position for the planet between -MS- and 228. The fact that CGB used multiple 12-mans from multiple units is the issue.

If -MS- wanted to use 4 12mans against our 2, well more honor to us and our Clan. But that did not happen, and I suggest next time bobF, you read first before posting.

[pbiggz]

the best part is they didnt get a kurita attack lane, which is what they claim they wanted.

[Amarus Cameron]

1) Hats off to 228 for fighting it out, always happy to have you guys fighting for us. I think things got off to a rocky start when you guys first came on with us, getting lumped in with QQ and such but I've found playing with you to be fun and a good match. So again thank you for the valiant defense.

2) Why don't we just take the planet back?