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[Bullseye69]

Spec look fine to me. Will run MWO fine and he can always add more Ram.

[Max Immelmann]

ok, so someone said do not use ibuypower.com then who? also i am not computer savy enough to build my own system.

[Raidflex]

Immelmann, on 24 February 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

ok, so someone said do not use ibuypower.com then who? also i am not computer savy enough to build my own system.

I would probably go with a Falcon Northwest custom PC over ibuypower. But I build my own systems, so maybe someone has more input on a better vendor.

Edited by Raidflex, 24 February 2015 - 12:09 PM.

[xWiredx]

I dunno what the OP's budget on this thing is, but you can get an Exodus Stage 2 machine configured with a 4790K and GTX 980 for a hair under 2k from Xoticpc.

Either way, the reason we say not to go to iBuyPower isn't so much about quality as it is the fact that buying prebuilt, especially high-performance prebuilt, is way more expensive than doing it yourself. Trust me when I say anybody can build a PC these days, it's very easy and there are troves of DIY PC building for dummies guides out there.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Immelmann, on 24 February 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

ok, so someone said do not use ibuypower.com then who? also i am not computer savy enough to build my own system.

I said it.

Because pre built is more expensive for less.

You will get better parts, for less building it yourself.
This isn't 1980, there are thousands of videos on how to build a computer and believe. E when I say it's like playing with lego.

Things aren't as fragile as they were years ago, plenty of people have come here having never built before and we recommend they do it, 9/10 do it with zero problems.

Newegg has some videos of how to build.

[Max Immelmann]

ok, so build it myself. first question. how do i make sure the mother board fits a particular case? does the MB come with the bios installed? i know of newegg. the system i have now was all bought from newegg, but a friend put it all together for me. sadly, he got sick of the snow and cold and moved to FL last year, i am in PA. hence the reason i was going with a prebuilt this time. i am also confused as to which brand products i should be using. someone asked what my budget is. with parts, shipping, handling, when it is all said and done, i would like to stay below $1500.

i know this is asking a lot, but could someone take some time and put a virtual system together for me, using parts from newegg? you can see in a previous post what system i am currently looking at from ibuypower, can something similar be made? and i do like the case light a lot, but if that is not a viable option, so be it.

thanx again for all the help peeps!!

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Done this on my phone real quick at work so it's not perfect.

But as an example
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.95 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($208.09 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($118.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($579.79 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Black ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1489.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 12:49 EST-0500

Use Windows 10 TP

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Another quick example

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($71.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 295X2 8GB Devil 13 Video Card ($717.57 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1451.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 13:05 EST-0500

[xWiredx]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Cooling MX4 4g Thermal Paste ($6.97 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($71.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 4GB Twin Frozr Video Card ($549.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1359.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-25 13:27 EST-0500

The nice part about this build is if you want to get a bigger SSD, you can. Or you could even move up to something like an H105 or H110 water cooler. Or you can go for a more more expensive 1TB or 2TB HDD. Or you can get 16GB of RAM instead of 8GB. Or... you get the idea.

Edited by xWiredx, 25 February 2015 - 10:30 AM.

[Max Immelmann]

guys, thanx for the response again. for $100 - $200 more, i get the prebuilt from ibuypower. not much of a difference.

[xWiredx]

If 100-200 isn't a big deal and you'd rather not learn something that will probably benefit you 2-4 years into the future when you need to upgrade for whatever next big game it is you want to play, then by all means get a pre-built. We're just saying it isn't hard at all, and that kind of money is significant for anybody that isn't making six figures.

Comparing the build I just posted to what I could build that would be about the same from iBuyPower, I have these notes:
iBuyPower $1530 vs DIY $1360
iBuyPower has worse cooler
iBuyPower has worse PSU
iBuyPower has worse thermal compound

Also, note that either build here has an OS, which means that's not part of the cost. iBuyPower would end up at 1634 (134 beyond budget) where my build would end up under budget still (you can get copies of Win 8.1 64-bit for like $90 or less, where iBuyPower charges $104).

On top of the better, hand-picked parts and cost savings there is also the satisfaction of building your machine yourself as a reward. Sometimes you miss something basic when you build your first, but I can tell you there's nothing quite like having something assembled by your own hands (same as building a hot rod in the garage).

[Max Immelmann]

ok wired, so what about this bios thing, is that already installed on the MB? will i be needing extra parts to put everything together, eg., screws, cables, wires, etc. i do have my win 8.1 disk around here somewhere, i run it on this computer, just need to find it. also, i do not make 6 figures, i just happen to win a nice size lottery ticket.

[Vassago Rain]

Raidflex, on 24 February 2015 - 07:59 AM, said:

With Chrome x64 and 30-40 tabs open, you would be surprised how much memory it can take up. It really also depends on what web pages you have open, some will take up a good amount of memory. Generally when gaming I would not have that many tabs open, but other items like Origin, Steam, Teamviewer, VMware etc would be running.

Again if the OP is only gaming and recording, then 8GB would be enough.

Memory costs are not that much more, maybe an extra 60-70 depending on speed, when the system cost 900-1000 that is not a big difference. Now if upgrading the memory prevents purchasing a better CPU/GPU, then I would stick with 8GB.

I have hundreds of tabs open in firefox, and it doesn't go above 1.6 gigs. In fact, it's at 1.2 while I'm typing this.

16 gigs still aren't necessary, and I'd only go 16 if I got a deal on it - which I did when I made this computer.

[Vassago Rain]

Immelmann, on 25 February 2015 - 12:05 PM, said:

ok wired, so what about this bios thing, is that already installed on the MB? will i be needing extra parts to put everything together, eg., screws, cables, wires, etc. i do have my win 8.1 disk around here somewhere, i run it on this computer, just need to find it. also, i do not make 6 figures, i just happen to win a nice size lottery ticket.

No, you don't need to install BIOS. Yes, you get all the cables and screws with the parts.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

I think because your technological know how is limited by your own admission you possibly don't understand what the difference is here.

Pre built machines use middle of the road parts and charge you like they were premium to put it all together, which is somthing like playing with logo it's that simple.

A bios revision will already be on the motherboard weather you choose to upgrade this bios to one of the latest revisions is up to you.

Screws and cables will come with the parts you order.

[Max Immelmann]

ok all. you have given me a lot to think about. this is not as easy as i thought it was going to be! lol i am at about 50/50 as to which way i am going to go. i am one of those people who has a natural talent for destroying things, not creating them! lmao!! but i do have a creative side, here are some examples.......



so maybe i can build a system.

again i want to say thanx to all for the time and effort you have spent helping me here.

Edited by Immelmann, 26 February 2015 - 01:54 AM.

[Max Immelmann]

what do you all think of this build??

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PZM8sY
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....sY/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($549.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.79 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.75 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1427.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-26 05:16 EST-0500

[xWiredx]

Not bad. Since you're going with a K-series CPU, you will probably get the itch to try your hand at overclocking. If you do, I would suggest getting at least an entry-level AIO water cooler like the Corsair H60. If you feel like you will definitely never get that itch, or it will be a couple years down the road before you do, then your current selection will more than suffice for now.