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[lsp]

This is marked as teir 2 by the way, for the guy who said the ac20 hunch is a teir 5 mech. http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d7eac868e6dce5f

[Alistair Winter]

Ascaloth, on 05 March 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

Ammo quirks makes no sense at all.
Weapon quirks means that an specific 'mech is proficient with some weapons due to it's construction, like a cannon mounted on a jeep can't fire as well as one mounted on a tank, so does an AC/20 mounted on a Raven compared to an AC/20 mounted on the prepared torso of the Hunchback. The same with the armor/strut quirks, representing the efficiency of some specific components at damage reduction (deflection plates and so on) as well as reinforced internal structure.
Now...ammo quirks? How can one explain that?

Well, the idea behind quirks seems to be that not all guns are created equal. The AC20 mounted on a Hunchback is probably different from the AC20 mounted on most other mechs. Maybe the cannon itself is different, maybe the ammunition is different (unique caliber weapons often require unique caliber ammunition), maybe it's both. Maybe one AC20 fires rifled shells while another fires smoothbore shells, and the latter has more accuracy at long distances, hence a 20% range bonus in MWO.

In the case of ammo quirks, the idea is basically that you're making a weapon with smaller caliber, which is basically as destructive as the bigger version. Through some miracle of technology, its rounds are smaller, yet have the same projectile speed and other characteristics. The weapon itself isn't smaller or lighter, it just has a different caliber. Its only advantage (though in the case of the Hunchback, there are several AC20 quirks) is the fact that smaller caliber ammo = more ammunition.

Explanation delivered.

[CDLord HHGD]

lsp, on 05 March 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

This is marked as teir 2 by the way, for the guy who said the ac20 hunch is a teir 5 mech. http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d7eac868e6dce5f

I said the HBK-4G was a tier 5 mech based on the original list put out by Russ. Where are you seeing it as a tier 2? I'd love to update my info if it's out of date.

[MechWarrior5152251]

This would actually be a way PGI could better balance weapons. Give superior weapons less ammo per ton and inferior weapons more ammo. Extra shots for MGs and AC2s and fewer shots for Gauss......

[Quicksilver Aberration]

WM Quicksilver, on 05 March 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Honestly, all the ammo amounts need to be increased for all weapons so that a mech with enough ammo for TT has enough ammo for MWO.

In TT 2 tons of Gauss ammo is enough for a round where as here, 3 is the minimum. SRMs are even worse, since they didn't get any increase from TT amounts which has a huge impact on the Lights and Mediums since SRMs are the preferred missile weapon outside of the holy 4J.

Basically, for Assaults and Heavies, the ammo amounts aren't a huge deal, but for Mediums and Lights which are generally tonnage starved, these insufficient ammo amounts have a larger impact which is why energy boating or massive quirks is so important for Lights and even Mediums.

As I posted from the Shadow Cat ammo quirk thread, I will repeat this.

Though I will add Im not against ammo quirks, but ammo in general needs some work.