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[Durant Carlyle]

The MechWarrior 5 trailer was for a standard single-player game with multi-player tacked on, like previous MechWarrior games.

That game was shelved, as no publishers were willing to pick it up.

MechWarrior Online is a completely different game.

And PGI has already stated that we will have no more Unseen 'Mechs in the game. That means no Wasp, Stinger, Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, Rifleman, Longbow, Archer, Crusader, Warhammer, Marauder, or Marauder II. That was a very disappointing decision. but best to avoid protracted legal battles I guess.

[Twilight Fenrir]

Durant Carlyle, on 05 April 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

The MechWarrior 5 trailer was for a standard single-player game with multi-player tacked on, like previous MechWarrior games.

That game was shelved, as no publishers were willing to pick it up.

Also, because they got sued into the stone age for having that Warhammer in it XD

[Wolf486]

No Mauler? You got to be kidding! This thread is without merit if there isn't a Mauler in the list.

[Weepy Wanebow]

Wolf486, on 05 April 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

No Mauler? You got to be kidding! This thread is without merit if there isn't a Mauler in the list.

I thought I had included it. Must be an oversight. Let me add it

[WonderSparks]

Personally I would like to see more maps sooner than more 'Mechs.

That being said...

Fire Moth, Viper (WHY DID PGI CHOOSE SHADOW CAT. GAWD), Linebacker, Turkina, Wolfhound, Crab, Champion, and Annihilator, from the choices. (Though several of the IS assaults appeal to me )

[TheArisen]

@ the OP, add in the Hammerhands! War Dog and Penetrator would be good too.

[Weepy Wanebow]

The lore says the hammerhands went extinct until it was brought back during the jihad era. Also all of the existing variants minus 2 have significant tech that is not available in MWO which is the reason I left it off.

The war dog has 2 variants one of which has 2 pieces of equipment not available in MWO. Some variants are made up by PGI or are slightly altered but with 2 strikes against the war dog and me not being a developer I decided to leave it off the list

The Penetrator has a production year of 3053. My hard cut off was 3052 since that is the latest PGI has taken influence from thus far

Edited by Smell Da Glove, 06 April 2015 - 02:52 PM.

[TheArisen]

Sound logic Glove, I'd just say that the Hammerhands is the closest thing to the Warhammer, plus it'd add to the game.

[Kinski Orlawisch]

Gunnslinger? Behemoth?

[Weepy Wanebow]

Marc von der Heide, on 06 April 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

Gunnslinger?

While one of my personal favorite IS assault mechs it didn't make the list because it has a production year of 3053

Marc von der Heide, on 06 April 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

Behemoth?

You mean the Behemoth (IS name for the clan Stone Rhino) behemoth? yeah it is a non-Omnimech clan mech. No non-Omnimech clan mechs made the list as PGI hasn't released any non-Omnimechs for the clans yet

[TheArisen]

There is a problem with your list, many of the mechs you have listed aren't available in timeline due to being extinct until being reproduced.

[Weepy Wanebow]

TheArisen, on 07 April 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

There is a problem with your list, many of the mechs you have listed aren't available in timeline due to being extinct until being reproduced.

which?

[Appuagab]

IS needs wider choice of different tonnages. I don't like highlander, commando and cicada, but I want to have 25/40/90 tons 'mechs for more flexible dropship setup in CW.
Also I WANT BLACK KNIGHT.

[TheArisen]

Emperor 3057, Crocket 3054, Pillager 3058, Striker 3058, Ymir 3075, Mackie extinct, Cestus 3058, Excalibur (very rare) 3058, Koschei 3067, Lynx 3056, Starslayer 3058, Mercury 3050 Clan&ComStar only and the Wasp is unseen.

[Twilight Fenrir]

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Emperor 3057, Crocket 3054, Pillager 3058, Striker 3058, Ymir 3075, Mackie extinct, Cestus 3058, Excalibur (very rare) 3058, Koschei 3067, Lynx 3056, Starslayer 3058, Mercury 3050 Clan&ComStar only and the Wasp is unseen.

I didn't check any of your other ones... But the Ymir is from 2462, was designed to replace The Mackie. You're thinking of the Ragnarok alternate variant from MechAssault.

He said ComStar vault mechs were acceptable.

[Weepy Wanebow]

First let me start off by saying that when battletech started much of mech production had stopped and most mechs outside of elite house units were inherited and handed down through families. These mechs were sometimes to patchwork that they were hardly recognizable as their original design. It wasn't until the Helm Memory Core was discovered that full scale mech production really started up again.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Emperor 3057, Crocket 3054, Pillager 3058, Striker 3058, Ymir 3075, Mackie extinct, Cestus 3058, Excalibur (very rare) 3058, Koschei 3067, Lynx 3056, Starslayer 3058, Mercury 3050 Clan&ComStar only and the Wasp is unseen.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Emperor 3057

Production ended with the destruction of the factory at the earliest 2830 and latest 2864 (second succession war) and then only resumed production in 3057. It says nowhere that it went extinct, only that it became more rare.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Crockett 3054

You are correct that it went extinct in general use but Comstar had many originals stockpiled in their secret vaults which came out and into service with the Com Guards and with several being given to the DCMS

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Pillager 3058

Again it states that the production lines were destroyed during the second succession war but nothing about the actual mech going extinct. Production resumed in 3058

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Striker 3058

It states that the production line was destroyed and that fewer than 300 exist which constitutes rare not extinct.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Ymir 3075

Production ceased and halted During the succession wars up until after the Jihad era when a need for mechs regardless of quality saw them put back into production but nowhere does it state that the mech ceased to see field action.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Mackie extinct

States that it was not produced since the Aramis Civil War….I’ll give that with that date it is likely extinct but it never actually states that it is extinct so I included it.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Cestus 3058

Production line destroyed in second succession war but was a common mech for the AFFS, started being produced again in 3058. Never states that it went extinct.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Excalibur 3058

Lore states that it was a rare mech and became increasingly rare but it never went extinct, it also states that it was regularly fielded by Com Guards during the clan invasion.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Koschei 3067

Lore specifically states that there “were few left on the battlefield”, not “none”, not “extinct”, but “few”

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Lynx 3056

And I quote “until the factory producing the Lynx was destroyed in 2928 by Marik raiders. The few remaining Lynxes were ultimately cannibalized for whatever could be salvaged. The Lynx did not see production again until 3056.” So they were only not produced for 128 years during which time the more damaged units were used to repair and re-outfit less damaged models but they never technically went extinct and then in 3056 they were back in production.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Starslayer 3058

The lore states that production stopped in the early succession wars but that it was one a fairly common mech in the LCAF. It started production again after the clan invasion but never listed as extinct.

TheArisen, on 09 April 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

Mercury 3050

Became extinct in the general Inner Sphere Armies but Com Guards had a bunch in secret vaults.



Just because something has stopped being produced doesn’t mean that it is automatically extinct. That's like saying that because Ford doesn’t make the Model T anymore it is extinct even though a quick google search will show tons of restored and currently existing, perfect running condition Model Ts.



I said in my conditions that unless the lore specifically stated that a mech was extinct it was included even if it was super rare. I didn’t state “if common sense states that most likely, more likely than not, in all probability it is extinct….” I’m aware that some of these mechs were probably extinct but unless there is a source telling me specifically that it no longer exists I decided not to cut it. I also included mechs that only existed Ina ComStar vault somewhere.

As far as the wasp goes, if you had read my edits on my original post, you will see that I had thought I removed all of the unseen mechs and why I did so. It was an oversight

[kosmos1214]

GIVE ME MY CLINT AND MACKIE PLEASE

Edited by kosmos1214, 09 April 2015 - 05:52 PM.

[xeromynd]

GIMMIE DAT BANDER

[Kelenas]

Gimme some IIC varients before another pack of clan omnis.

[Weepy Wanebow]

Kelenas, on 15 April 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

Gimme some IIC varients before another pack of clan omnis.

agreed.