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Posted 17 July 2015 - 02:32 AM

.... or have they devolved?

Battletech novels and sourcebooks began publication in the 1980s, which I associate with pantsuits. Since then, women have had an evolving role in the universe. Let's take a look at some of them.

Lori Kalmar-Carlyle was a locust pilot who was conquered by her future husband, Greyson Carlyle, who she eventually fell in love with. She existed primarily as a love interest, and only after her husband's death did she command the Grey Death Legion to their ultimate demise in 'Time of Dying.'

Melissa Steiner-Davion was one of five House Leaders in the Warrior Trilogy, the second big trilogy in the Battletech Universe. Her job was to marry Hanse Davion. She was a loving and devoted wife to him, and I generally have warm feelings toward the character. Her marriage was arranged, but she inevitably fell in love with 'the Fox' and bore him many children. Including a wimpy Yvonne and diabolically evil Katherine, who was at the time of the Kerensky trilogy, a sweet, innocent adolescent in a pretty dress. Melissa existed primarily to support Hanse Davion's dreams of interstellar conquest.

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Natasha Kerensky. Oh, Natasha, how I love thee. One cool thing about Natasha is that she is a bad ass hot chick who can outsmart, out sex, and out fight anything in the Inner Sphere AND clan space. She is one of the most dynamic characters in the Battletech Universe and could probably beat up Ripley from Alien and put up a good fight against Alice from Resident Evil. Unlike both of those characters, though, the Black Widow would be the one manipulating. Yup, Ripley and Alice would work for her, and both Wayland and Umbrella Corporation would have fallen quickly to Natasha if she had them in her crosshairs. She, like Kai Allard-Liao, is a superhero. She also conquered men, not the other way around, which makes me wonder if she was the authors' way of saying: see, in the future, men and women are equal, and to prove it, we're going to make a superhero that bends, breaks, and shatters every rule we can think of. This backfires in the Dark Ages...

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Omi Kurita. She existed so Victor could have a love interest that couldn't be with him while he went off to save the Inner Sphere time and again. She was even killed off for the purposes of plot device, and had his kid for the same reason.

Romano Liao, Maximillian Liao's psycho-nutjob daughter – Thuggee death cultist? Sigh...

Anastasia Kerensky. And finally we come to the character who my friend at the time called a, nevermind.... This character may have singlehandedly doomed the Dark Ages to some sort of death by decency. Obviously sociopathic, her rise to power made a mockery of all of Clan Wolf's traditions, and her interpersonal skills, well, she wanted to be Natasha, but she just came off as a conniving, fickle, and almost amorphous personality that simply went as psycho as necessary to “make factions fight” for the purposes of making the MW: Dark Age clix game plausable. If there was an evolution of female characters in Battletech toward a more whole and realistic female point of view, she made sure that it was buried.

Katrina Steiner-Davion. Not as insane as Anastasia, she certainly held nothing back in her acquisition of power and ability to manipulate everything around her. How she, like Anastasia, survived so long is a testament to her shrewd genius. In the end, though, another hate-driven b**** saved her life. Why? I don't know. But then again, Vlad Ward was like a Dark Jedi, using the powers of hate and jealousy to guide him....

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Myra Torberg. There to give Phelan a belt buckle to obsess over for three novels straight.

Exceptions (that is, these characters seem more human, and less plot device. Natasha could fit in here too, as she has really evolved over time, but she's still a superhero!)

Candice Liao, a decent leader stuck in a rock and a hard place, she successfully, with Hanse Davion's help, breaks off the St. Ives compact and rules it benevolently, and she plays a subtle and valuable role as Justin Allard's wife and vindicator, though fades to the sidelines once her husband's murder has cleared up.

Diedre Lear. Diedre's primary function was as a love interest for Kai Allard-Liao, but I would also argue that she is one of the better written women earlier on in the Battletech series. She has the most believable and human feel about her. You don't know here motivations or her fears, and it takes a LOT of impressing by Kai to land her in bed. Once she does finally fall for Kai, she fades into obscurity, though, as her job is to create children for Kai and show us just what a great guy he really is.

Francesca Jenkins, an investigator loyal to Victor to whom he owes everything, and though she plays a minor role overall in the Fed-Com Civil War, I REMEMBER her, which means she left an impression.

Okay, the women below, I have a hard time remembering well as I've only read the Dark Age novels once back when they came out, and have read the classic battletech novels far more recently.

Tara Campbell. Tara is the leader of the Northwind Highlanders in the Dark Ages. For the most part, she is a competent leader, mover and shaker in this grim future. There is one big mark on her record, though, if I recall, when One-Eyed Jack's Jupiter battlemech pinned her mech to the ground – though this may have been a Pack Hunter, and not her usual Hatchetman? Anyway, if a 100 ton Jupiter was lying down on top of a little Pack Hunter, the mech would be crushed. Probably a Hatchetman too, but in this case, it turned out to be some sort of battlemech sexual domination thing, with cockpits pressed up against cockpits while old One-Eye had his way with her battlemech. This same battle, if I recall, had her hatchetman doing cartwheels along the city streets.... If someone could clarify this up, that would be fantastic, because I can't find my dark age novels and Sarna writers can only stomach some of them.

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Janella Lakewood. Here is Mason Dunne's sidekick, who becomes a Paladin of the Republic of the Sphere because of her virtues not only as a pilot, but a good politician and peacemaker. She is exceptional as she survives in the stories where Mason Dunne disappears. Usually, if the man dies/disappears, the woman runs out of purpose.

Katana Tormark. I don't remember much about her. Was she boring and uninteresting?

Anyway, you'll have to forgive my memory on many of these characters. Understand that this thread is for the purposes of discussing female characters in the Battletech universe. Feel free to argue and debate over the characters and the writing – and keep it objective.

I also ask that you don't condemn the authors of these novels and that's for a couple reasons. 1. you could argue is a sexist value on my part – is that they nearly all of the BT/MW authors are men, and it's simply hard for men to write women without significant investment of time, effort, and a lot of advice from women in their lives! 2. The authors are there to tell grand stories about the Battletech universe, about battlemech combat, and there is limited space in any given book to develop characters. In fact, most characters take multiple books to develop because there is SO MUCH going on in a couple hundred pages. 3. The books are written, especially early on, for teenage boys and male gamers.

Some things to keep in mind as well. In the 1980's we still had a cold war going on, G.I. Jane wasn't a movie – and that movie certainly isn't a poster for female recruitment! - and it was generally accepted that women didn't play combat roles. Female prime ministers were rare, and those was had to look at were the likes of Margaret Thatcher -the Iron Maiden (bless her soul). The 'greatest generation' were in power throughout the world, and their values were pre-hippy. The Civil Rights movement had only finished up their stuff twenty years before (1965ish) and women were fighting to break the 'glass ceiling.'

Battletech showed, in many ways, the idea that men and women were equal in that house leaders were women and even more progressively, the clans were VERY equal in their treatment of men and women – albeit at the cost of turning women in to men with boobs, that is, they stripped them of their femininity to do so. I think, if the authors were encouraged to bring more depth into the universe, more women would have come out as fuller, more interesting characters than they were in the 2000's, when the last big novel list was out – the Dark Ages. However, I think the game they were pushing (MW:DA) encouraged more cartoon and less adult situations. There were some good books, and some really, really awful ones. I would love to see a new novel series come out written for adults.

As I said, this thread was meant to be a discussion and debate starter, and I'm only throwing out my twenty cents on this issue. Let's keep is civil, lest we turn ourselves into some of the characters detailed above.

Edited by Peiper, 17 July 2015 - 08:56 PM.


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Posted 17 July 2015 - 04:32 AM

Thanks a lot, Peiper, for this summary.
We decided to close the old thread Gender equality in the BattleTech universe and use this one as a new and unencumbered start to discuss about this topic in an adult way. I posted a link there that leads to this thread, so the discussion about characters from there can continue here.

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Posted 18 July 2015 - 07:40 PM

The other issue is that we're talking about a setting where you're trying to fuse feudalism - our knowledge of which came during a decidedly sexist time period - and sci-fi. You end up with parents "Marrying off" their children in order to better their social position. Things like dowries come into play and... Well, needless to say, there's a lot of challenges that come into play when trying to write believable gender equality for that sort of a setting. Some factions are known for actually elevating women to superior positions to men, but some suppress women.

But I think the biggest issue is that unlike the 80s, or even the 90s, the information age has taken full hold and is thundering ahead at a breakneck pace. With nothing but language acting as our border of communication, discussion and thought (and trolling) know few boundaries, these days. The pace was tough to keep up with even before, but pretty much as soon as Tumblr came out and the thousand-and-one social justice causes started to take hold, it seems like society has started changing at a pace that I can barely keep up with. It seems like one minute I come to understand what is the socially acceptable way of dealing with a situation, and the next I'm a horrible prejudiced jerk for acting in a way - to my former knowledge, maybe a year out of date - was actually good. In such a rapidly fluctuating state of social norms, I don't entirely think that holding a book from 30 years ago to modern social standards is the best way to go. For the time, and for the genre, they were pretty ahead-of-the-curve. Best to just leave it at that.

I don't have as high an opinion of Natasha Kerensky as others, and really don't see her as being an avatar of feminist values. But again, 80s, and books written by men, for men. You don't expect realistic male depictions in harlequin romance novels, either.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 12:23 AM

You talked about evolving role of women yet you failed to mention Isis Marik? I love how she changed from being an arrogant hussy to concerning fiance of Sun Tzu, to important part of Victor Steiner-Davion's life during Fed-Com Civil War.

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:23 AM

View PostEl Bandito, on 20 July 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:

You talked about evolving role of women yet you failed to mention Isis Marik? I love how she changed from being an arrogant hussy to concerning fiance of Sun Tzu, to important part of Victor Steiner-Davion's life during Fed-Com Civil War.


Isis IS an interesting character, you are correct. I mostly know her from being played off as a pawn in the books I've read. Understand, too, El Bandito, this thread is to discuss characters. So, tell us about her!

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:56 AM

View PostPeiper, on 20 July 2015 - 01:23 AM, said:

Isis IS an interesting character, you are correct. I mostly know her from being played off as a pawn in the books I've read. Understand, too, El Bandito, this thread is to discuss characters. So, tell us about her!


Sure, lemme just take a quick note from Sarna.

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Isis Marik (Born 3034) was a 31st Century House Marik noblewoman, the daughter of Captain General Thomas Marik. Since she had been born illegitimately, she was passed over in the line of succession when her younger half-brother Joshua Marik was born in 3048. She was known to her peers as an attractive but rash person.

Near the end of the Clan Invasion in May, 3052, her father arranged for her to be betrothed to the Cancellor of Capellan Confederation, Sun Tzu Liao, in a political arrangement. Although she did fall in love with both Sun Tzu and his nation, years dragged by as her engagement with Sun Tzu continued awaiting for Thomas' permission to marry.

Sun Tzu eventually began to feel tired of Isis and her lack of understanding of what it meant to be Capellan. Seeing that her political usefulness was coming to an end, he decided to make what use he could before discarding her. First sending her to the world of Hustaing as part of a tour of the region near the St. Ives Compact, Sun Tzu secretly arranged for a sleeper agent in the Blackwind Lancers to have the unit attack the world and hopefully assassinate his former fiancee. This act triggered the Capellan-St. Ives War, to reunite the state with its renegade commonality. Isis however survived the initial attack.

During her six weeks on the run from renegade St. Ives troops on Hustaing, Isis befriended Jade Hollister, who had connections to an underground movement and taught Isis much about leadership and decision making. Tragically, Isis would accidentally shoot Jade Hollister in a firefight with rebel forces shortly before her rescue. The lessons learned in the six weeks on Hustaing, including death, killing, injury and frequent combat with regular and rebel troops and crime syndicates and ultimately the accidental killing of Jade Hollister turned Isis Marik into a tough, responsible and headstrong person.

Isis returned to Sian for the duration of the war. Ultimately, however, Sun Tzu dismissed her and had her ordered off-world and out of the Confederation.

Now in exile, Isis traveled to Mogyorod, where she took up an earlier offer to stay with Victor Steiner-Davion and Omi Kurita. She was in deep shock, still in love with Sun Tzu and being suddenly kicked out of the only home she had known. During the night, she spied a figure crawling through the mansion she shared with Omi and Victor. Initially, she thought it was an assassin sent by Sun Tzu to kill her; but instead, she saw the figure attack Victor's Clan body guard before going for Omi. Isis took her letter opener and stabbed the assassin, who then struck at Isis before escaping. This saved Omi Kurita, and a grateful Victor told her he owed her a favor for the act. Along with Omi, he sent Isis to Luthien to protect both women from further attacks. Unfortunately, in 3064 Isis found her friend dead, at the hands of the same assassin.

She then traveled to Muphrid in 3066 at the critical juncture of Fed-Com Civil War, to see Victor again and collect on the favor he owed her - a dinner. Victor, still in shock from the death of his lover Omi and had withdrawn from the war, was shaken by stern talk from Isis on what was important and the need to move on. Victor, realizing he had been letting a great many people down, revived and resumed the war. Isis accompanied him in the last wave of the FedCom Civil War, all the way to New Avalon. In their travels, a relationship developed between the two, and they eventually decided to marry.

Isis would bear Victor three children after their marriage: Jade Davion, Burton Davion, and Lee Davion.

Edited by El Bandito, 20 July 2015 - 01:58 AM.


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Posted 20 July 2015 - 05:15 PM

I didn't know Victor married Isis. All that post Fed-Com Civil War -up to Dark Ages- baffles my understanding. Perhaps because it is only sourcebooks and not novels that tells the story. Hard to put a sourcebook in your hip pocket to read on the train!

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Posted 20 July 2015 - 06:43 PM

I'd be curious to hear Peiper's analyses of some or all of the following characters:
  • Marthe Pryde
  • Diana Pryde
  • Joanna
  • Malvina Hazen
  • Ranna Kerensky
  • Jessica Halas-Hughes-Marik


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Posted 21 July 2015 - 02:40 PM

Usually this isn't the place (this forum part :) ) I used to hang around, but it's a great thread!

I've played several MechWarrior campaigns a few years back with several groups and we came to the conclusion (lasses and lads alike) that the Battletech lore isn't a pure paternalistic or a matriarchal rule, but the societies presented have many traits of equality between the sexes, especially the Clan society (although the societies feature quite strong darwinism, but this isn't the topic).
I don't think there's devolution going on, but the women in the lore are getting stronger. Why? I'm throwing two names into the ring: Sharilar Mori and Demona Aziz. Both started a new era in Battletech lore, setting things in motion that were incomprehensible to one person (the deeds of Word of Blake, which I personally consider the vilest faction ever present in BT lore) and astounding the other (moving ComStar from a more or less mystic sect into a position to almost reunite the houses). This is hardly devolution, it's more like: revolution (in a positive or negative sense) but it requires strength and power which these two personas stand for.

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Posted 21 July 2015 - 02:58 PM

Speaking of another powerful woman who isn't stereotypical: Myndo Waterly.

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Posted 26 July 2015 - 11:00 AM

@ Strum
I was wondering about the Prydes & Joanna as well, glad you brought it up :)

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Posted 13 October 2015 - 09:23 PM

View PostPeiper, on 20 July 2015 - 01:23 AM, said:


Isis IS an interesting character, you are correct. I mostly know her from being played off as a pawn in the books I've read. Understand, too, El Bandito, this thread is to discuss characters. So, tell us about her!


... Everyone is a friggen pawn in the grand houses games... Every, damn person. Men, women, children are all used as resources and pawns and I'm not getting how people are missing this? I guess its willful blindness to serve the whole SWJ trend that's going on lately... I think its pretty sad at this point where everything has to go through "Well this woman showed a moment of weakness" yes but Victor Davion Steiner has broken down several times, the man has come to tears and even thrown temper tantrums...

Then you have people with the gall to freak out about Cassie Suthorn being emotionally unstable. Not because it doesn't make sense for the character (it totally does) or because it doesn't fit the theme or setting they are in (PTSD suffering soldier... There's plenty of males in this role as well) but because she's a woman. Because she is a woman, she can't be placed in a vulnerable light, it's NOT allowed in this day and age and I think this is a bit sad. People are emotional, fragile, and vulnerable beings, Star Captain Trent had his will bent and broken by a woman that used and played him due to her absolute knowledge of clan culture and society... They then fell for each other, mutually and equally! I've seen people complain about this pairing as if men and women are no longer allowed to fall in love as it threatens a woman's apt'ness and makes them a "trope."

Well let me tell you something, the unfeeling emotionless perfect woman is a trope in of itself. Being incomparable and perfect is NOT a good character. Dianna Pryde was one of the most competent characters in the entire lore, she put down the man she (rare for the clans) fell for, and after his death... What, she moved on instantly. She was appropriately reacting in the situation, shouted for him to just get the hell out of his mech, but the stupid idiot allowed his stoneage clan driven pride to get himself killed... All he had to do was get the hell out of the black lanners cockpit, run along the LBX and jump to the Nova's arm, but he DIDN't! HE COULD- *ahem* getting off topic here.

BattleTech is full of fleshed out women characters and leads who encompass all aspects of BattleTech's society. Is there a 50/50 split? No, but that's called quota's and that RUINS imagination and creativity. You ever take a creative writing class where they force you into a topic, or seen any good writing come from "Okay class I need you to write X amount of words for X amount of pages and X topic, be creative!" No, because it imposes a limitation on what you can do and has you working around boarders and boundaries.

What is most important to a franchise like this is to not discredit the issue of gender equality, in fact it is explored upon in the series due to some Innersphere factions having far less gender equality than others and even showcased in their politics with one another. When the clans show up you get to see a culture that largely does not care what gender you are, both sex's use their sexuality as greetings even, sex is but a handshake because it's no longer demonized or taboo'd, and its actually love that is considered so alien and relationships. Yet men, OFTEN, placate and fall to those feelings, just as from time to time women do... It's a dynamic, its not "You have to have them acting and behaving in the exact same way or SWJ's will be upset. The only way you can distinguish this character is male or female should be if it is stated which their gender is. But actually don't state their gender, that should be left up to choice of the reader. Do not describe beauty, looks appearance in any way shape or form." Eventually all this moaning, whining and attacking on creative freedom will literally lead to this kind of crap.

So while you can't discredit gender equality, you can't placate and bend your will and creative license to it or you become tainted and corrupted as an artist. You get on this slipper slope of "50/50" quotas and number. I mean, by gosh I have seen people attacking Pride and Prejudice as sexist, I have seen some SWJ's (not just women... They actually tend to be men who make these complaints) attack TRUE STORIES for being Sexist! Non-Fiction! It's more important to showcase that the InnerSphere is a dynamic living universe with its own gender issues, that all people in it regardless of gender are suseptible to weakness, can be strong, and CAN overcome, man or woman. Not only should it do this, it DOES, Archer Christiphori has doubted himself several times and has shown moments of weakness. Khan Vlad Ward was completely and utterly played by a woman and weakened his clan for her sake, while taking a MASSIVE hit from Khan Martha Pryde and Samantha Clees and being outmaneuvered politically and militarily in several instances.

I have a thought challenge, next time you look at a female character in BattleTech and she has a moment of weakness, or is defeated in fights. Think back on the time's that also men have been in the same situations, or at least ask yourself "Why not?" Why can't she be allowed to show a moment of weakness? Why cannot this female character be ALLOWED to have a nervous breakdown from years of abuse and PTSD? Why can't she be ALLOWED to have more depth than the cardboard cutout of "HERO WOMAN" some suggest?

Why won't you allow women in literature to be human? Because that's all they, and we as men, are. Human.



Also the 50/50 split thing is just so ridiculous I don't even wanna expand on it more than i stated up there about quotas ruining artistic freedom. Cat on a hot Tin Roof wasn't written with "We need a 50/50 split" in mind.


EDIT**Bare in mind this is more a response to the ORIGINAL thread. Most what's been said in here is generally good questions, and fair points on either side of the board! So I'm not addressing anyone directly here aside from the quip about Isis being a pawn. Everyone is a pawn to the houses >.>**EDIT

Edited by Valaska, 13 October 2015 - 09:26 PM.


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Posted 15 October 2015 - 03:24 PM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 20 July 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:

I'd be curious to hear Peiper's analyses of some or all of the following characters:
  • Marthe Pryde
  • Diana Pryde
  • Joanna
  • Malvina Hazen
  • Ranna Kerensky
  • Jessica Halas-Hughes-Marik


Marthe Pryde - probably one of the greatest Khans of Clan Jade Falcon, led the clan after the refusal war, saved it through unorthodox leadership, while still being quite honorable.

Diana Pryde - Aidan Pryde's freeborn daughter, claims her father's bloodname, and eventually becomes the CO of the Falcon Guards.

Joanna - Easily the angriest woman in all of human space, Killed Natasha Kerensky.

Malvina Hazen - Batshit crazy Khan of CJF during the Dark age, Interpreted the Mongol doctrine as "annihilate everyone who dares resist your conquest of their world", created to make the falcons the villains of the dark age.

Ranna Kerensky - Natasha's "granddaughter", Phelan Kell's lover, extreme badass in her own right.

Jessica Halas-Hughs-Marik - IDK much, but I believe she takes the splintered shards of what used to be the Free Worlds League, and reunites them, which being the FWL, is a feat to respect.

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 05:00 PM

I'd add Rhonda Snord to the list.

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Posted 10 November 2015 - 03:28 AM

Necromancy because this topic might be of interest to my current "alternate 3021"-era Mechwarrior campaign.

View PostPeiper, on 17 July 2015 - 02:32 AM, said:

peaking of another powerful woman who isn't stereotypical: Myndo Waterly.

As far as I can see, she's irrational and evil, like independently (as in, not dependent on a man) powerful women as written by Stackpole usually are. How isn't she stereotypical?

Edited by Koshirou, 10 November 2015 - 04:00 AM.


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Posted 10 November 2015 - 04:56 AM

Anyway, I'm currently wracking my brain over how to change the 3025 BattleTech Universe in such a way as to:

a.) A prevent Melissa Steiner from becoming the conveniently smitten wife-toy for a man 30 years her senior and
b.) Also prevent Katrina Steiner from being as evil as she would realistically be if she married off her ******* daughter to a 45-year old man for political reasons.

At the moment, I'm leaning towards letting the Steiner-Davion negotiations fall through entirely.

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Posted 10 November 2015 - 05:33 AM

View PostKoshirou, on 10 November 2015 - 04:56 AM, said:

At the moment, I'm leaning towards letting the Steiner-Davion negotiations fall through entirely.

Well the marriage was the only thing that could have rescued Davion and Steiner - for some time.
See what would happen without marriage - add 100 years to the time line. You can't win a war at two fronts.

Maybe Katrina got a idea that the Steiner part will always be second to the Davion part in this marriage - and because she is a proud woman and a really good shot in a Mech. Do you think that Fredrick Steiner and his unit the 10th Lyran Guards - the Elephants would have made a hot drop right onto the Kurita lines on Dromini IV when not a Katrina Steiner would have done the same with the same warriors on Hesperus II, when Marik was able to get the planet into his hands?

So i bet Katrina is not only the better warrior as Hanse, she is also a better strategist - the bad reputation of the Steiner military is caused by her predecessor.
Or she got eyes on the "attack plans" of Davions thrust into the IS -and she realize that the economy of her realm will have to carry the weight; not to mention the blood of her people that will be wasted at two fronts to prevent any adventures from Kurita or Marik.

View PostVanguard319, on 15 October 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:

Malvina Hazen - Batshit crazy Khan of CJF during the Dark age, Interpreted the Mongol doctrine as "annihilate everyone who dares resist your conquest of their world", created to make the falcons the villains of the dark age.

My soul and hear belongs to Tamar and Skye - so the revenge of the 40th will turn her skull into a pisspot

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Posted 10 November 2015 - 06:19 AM

View PostKarl Streiger, on 10 November 2015 - 05:33 AM, said:

Well the marriage was the only thing that could have rescued Davion and Steiner - for some time.
See what would happen without marriage - add 100 years to the time line. You can't win a war at two fronts.

The Steiner-Davion-Alliance did not reduce the number of fronts each alliance partner faced. Other than Davion being the designated good guys and Steiner being their designated second fiddlers in 3025, there is indeed little logic to the whole FedCom business. To actually shake up the balance of power, one would have to ally - or at least make peace with - an enemy with which one shared a border on the 5-slice-pie.

That Steiner was strictly the secondary junior partner - and that by that, the only female ruler of the 3025 era was reduced to the male hero's tool - is the reason I want to get rid of this entirely.

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 08:03 AM

Katherine certainly agreed with you, Koshiru. Retrospectively, women in Battletech could be written far better and with more capability than we used to see. I think BT has tried to do it before now - Arianna Winston, for example, or Katherine being a super competent villain, MechWarrior Joanna being a full on warbird - but there's always room to do better. They've made missteps perhaps, but they -are- trying.

That said, 16 year old me will forever worship Rhonda Snord on the cover of Snord's Irregulars, rocking the tiny red crop shirt. I'm only human. :o

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Posted 28 November 2015 - 08:24 AM

View PostKoshirou, on 10 November 2015 - 04:56 AM, said:

Anyway, I'm currently wracking my brain over how to change the 3025 BattleTech Universe in such a way as to:

a.) A prevent Melissa Steiner from becoming the conveniently smitten wife-toy for a man 30 years her senior and
b.) Also prevent Katrina Steiner from being as evil as she would realistically be if she married off her ******* daughter to a 45-year old man for political reasons.

At the moment, I'm leaning towards letting the Steiner-Davion negotiations fall through entirely.

Melissa is an interesting character that was not a super ‘Mech pilot / Warrior (although I love Natasha and co) and looking at historical arranged matches it’s not that improbable that the marriage between her and Hanse actually worked and even flourished. Even large age differences can often work and it is obvious they both worked hard on their relationship.

Given who she was both mother and daughter would have been at worst resigned to her marriage being political - although IIRC Katarina still gave her a choice (after discarding some of the other marriage proposals from the other Successor lords). It’s pretty clear she was impressed with his reply and also that he did not insist on the marriage…….

An Alliance is a delicate thing, but I think ours will live beyond us. The day will come when our people will view our two states
as a single realm with a single desire for peace."

For me it was a little sad that the writers tended to focus on the Federated Suns expertise in “everything” - especially the NAIS - when the earlier sourcebooks have equally interesting and important technological developments in the Lyran Commonwealth on the way.

Another option: Hanse dies or is assassinated very soon after the marriage leaving Melissa as heir to both thrones, relying on her mother who does not develop cancer…..

What would have happened if the Federated Commonwealth (as many hoped or feared at the time) had in fact dominated the Inner Sphere in its entirety before the Clans arrived back…..





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