MechB Kotare, on 08 August 2015 - 04:24 AM, said:
My apologies then. From what i observed in those few years of playing this game, builds like 6x Large Laser Battlemaster, or 6x PPC stalkers, 6x LRM 5 Cats were always considered as boat builds. Practically one weapon system being swarmed in high numbers all over the battlemech's structure.
To my knowledge, in all units i played in, LRM boats were exclusively builds with highest number of tubes posssible, filling remaining free tonnage with either ammo, or minimum of additional support weapons.
Not really familiar with TT terms of what a LRM boat truelly is, or what should a LRM boat count for.
Other weapons are far more different then how LRM's are judged and to a degree- an LRM 20 is just 4 5's put together the same way how a Machine Gun Array is just 4 Machine guns put together.
But a large laser isn't 4 medium lasers put together or a PPC isn't 4.... what?
Also technically speaking [x] boat that isn't LRM / SRM / missile in general isn't a technical classification but for a good reason due to the large decide in play style.
Say you got a 6 PPC stalker- in MW: O player slang that would be a PPC boat. in TT/ Lore/ in older games that would have been called a "Sniper", specifically "energy sniper" for fancy adjustments to the name: the term sniper is simular to the sarna discription of the LRM boat in terms of speed and style, but instead it uses long range weapons. Things like the Catapult K2 are stock examples of a Sniper or the Direwolfs (won't specify... most direwolfs are counted as snipers)
Of course the name sniper is a bit missleading for some newer folk... people picture sniper as a long reload very long range high damage kinda thing but AC/ LBX / UAC 2's and 5's are also considered sniper weapons as well as normal large lasers (-ish) and ER large lasers.
Snipers typically hover around 550-600 meter+. So do not let the ER PPC's and Gauss fool you...
Anyway, it's hard to sometimes pull appart what is simply player lingo, jargon, or slang. and what isn't...
or even debating what is the differences between new and old jargon...
In MW: O mechs that jumpjet and have pinpoint alpha weapons (ie gauss or ac 20 + ppc's) and jumpjet when firing and go back behind cover is typically called
Pop Tarter in
MW: O player slang.
But in MW4 they were called Ghost snipers, Phantom snipers, Jump Snipers, or paper snipers usually because they typically jump and typically have ECM but also typically have nearly 0 armour to abuse the mechanic in MW: O that your health stocks at 1 before being destroyed thus requiring a second shot to kill (prevents 1 shot/ alpha kills)
as you can see. Paper sniper and Pop tarter are very different names...
Especially when TT views them as simply Snipers or Skirmishers because JJ doesn't change the role of a mech- only aid it.
That discription out of the way- the problem with LRM's in this game is peoples attitudes to them.
Not knowing what a boat is or how useful keeping locks is or what even is a lock is some problems...
This also leads to forum problems. approximately a third of the commmunity thinks LRM's are very OP and may even quit the match early if they see a lot in the sky, a third thing it's UP and is easy kjills, and another third is indifferent. You can see how this can go when 1 group thinks X is very UP but the others thinks it's very OP, 1 asks for buffs and other asks for nerfs.
People also have different views on how LRM's should be used on a mech and what weight classes. some people think it has no place on mediums or lights and is only for the big boys, others thinks no Assault should be a LRM boat. others think why be a heavy LRM boat if an assault can double your load.... or why be a heavy LRM boat if the medium ones got better speed, JJ, and about the same firepower...
I've been an LRM expert for MW: O for several years now- at least tried LRM'ing on most of my mechs- a total of 70 (not boating specifically though...), LRM's is a usefull secondary weapon, I cary a small ammount on some assaults or heavies such as a LRM 15 or 20 for a king crab or atlas juggernaut (juggernaut, slow speed, high armour, nearly exclusively close range... ie stock atlas, kingcrab, etc... not to be confused with brawler, which is much more faster and in lighter weight classes ie stock centurion, hunchback, etc).
I've been an LRM expert if you count the time outside of MW: O hehee... However I am an expert in many fields some say... can do most TT/ lore roles in MW: O and variations...
So yea... any more questions about LRM's ask away.
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