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[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

@OP:

1 - You can, and sometimes should, mute players for the rest of a match. Click their speaker icon in the team roster.

2 - Most of the true veterans that I've run into will use comms to try to eke some measure of cooperation out of a team, either VOIP or team chat. A few of the persistent scrubs will run off and die and then complain, but they're rarely the type who try to get people working together using comms.

3 - New players are pretty much always given advice when they ask questions, and sometimes when veterans die early and spectate they'll offer unsolicited advice, which is generally received either with explanations of the behavior that sparked the suggestions, or further questions trying to work out what they need to do in future.

4 - Very rarely, you'll encounter a veteran player who uses comms only for the team to ignore everything without any kind of response, with the inevitable result being a crushingly one-sided defeat. Sometimes those veterans will then comment about how the team should try to do better next time (often those comments will be biting or sarcastic, but they're rarely loud or obnoxious).

[Acierocolotl]

I don't know, am I a veteran? I've been here since beta, I guess I'm a veteran.

Things are honestly polite, by and large, and pretty civil. The majority of the rudeness comes from some tryhard who blames the rest of the team for his own failures, and maybe once I rose to that bait and accused him of... you know, it was rather unseemly and really physiologically unlikely as very few men could possibly be that flexible. But it was also funny.

Well, there was also one weird match where somebody took umbrage at me sporting Liao colours and--while I think he was roleplaying--he was being rather weirdly rude about it all. I could make up a story about how I blew him up but that'd be pure fiction, and I don't even remember his name anyway.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is the community on the game has been pretty polite and positive, by and large. I haven't seen players asking for help in the game itself, but I don't tend to watch other players either. That said, I'll help here if there's something I've noticed that doesn't have three pages of responses, so that's got to be worth something.

[Spleenslitta]

Yup yup. Your right Levi and Acieropppbllt (bites tongue).

But the fact that for every 10 matches i get 6-7 matches with these weirdly angry players is not exactly pleasant either way.
Sometimes i get half a team throwing accusations of incompetense at each other.

[Acierocolotl]

Spleenslitta, on 13 October 2015 - 01:51 PM, said:

Yup yup. Your right Levi and Acieropppbllt (bites tongue).

But the fact that for every 10 matches i get 6-7 matches with these weirdly angry players is not exactly pleasant either way.
Sometimes i get half a team throwing accusations of incompetense at each other.

Well, with respect, I see also you're in tier 2, so you're with a lot of real blowhards who value their rating dearly and have built up a marvellous personal narrative about their own ability, so anything that doesn't conform to that reputation invokes a cognitive dissonance.

Yeah, I intentionally overwrote that, I wanted to sound smart. What I'm saying is, "You're playing with a lot of high-ranked blowhards who think a high tier is the be-all and end-all of gameplay."

Things are polite for me. I'm also in TIer 4 at the moment as I often with friends who aren't very good at this, so we die a lot. Still, if we can get a good scrap in there we're having a good time anyway. That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. So Tier 4 is quite polite, if anything. You should try it some time!

[Pjwned]

I don't always rage, but I will give my team flak if they do something that's obviously stupid and tactically unsound where we end up losing, such as:

Countless instances of NASCAR, namely on old River City and old Caustic Valley. Maybe this will be less of a problem with both of those maps now being revised though.

A while ago on Crimson Strait (in Skirmish, so no objectives) my team on the bridge side decides to camp the D4 area and occasionally peak over into a firing line and get massacred 1 by 1. I decided I was sick of that and went around to try and initiate a flank, but of course it didn't work very well with just 2 mechs at less than 100 tons between them. The flank wasn't going to be effective since the rest of the team (except 1 raven who came with me) continued to sit there and not accomplish anything, but even when 3 enemy mechs turned around to chase me my team still didn't bother pushing or to move 1 bit from their spot, and we lost horribly. I gave my team a lot of crap for that incident.

A while ago on Mining Colony we had a match where I noticed the assault lance had spawned on a far side, and I told our team as much when I noticed everybody else was zooming off on the other side of the map. After about another minute of seeing that the assault lance was still left alone, I explicitly ordered my team to go cover the assault lance while already heading over there myself, particularly because we had no targets anywhere near where our team was. Unsurprisingly, the enemy team was under ECM and they found our assaults who proceeded to get gangbanged with no support from the team except me trying to shoot enemy mechs when I could, and we lost horribly which preceded me berating my team for being idiots and sitting with their thumb in their ass firing at nothing.

I remember a long time ago on Canyon Network where we had a pretty good position on the clifftops, only for the entire team to give up that position (I believe it was to chase a pesky light mech) and sit in the corner of the map we spawned in to wait for the enemy team to come to us. I don't remember many details about the match because it was at least over a year ago, but the position was so horrifyingly bad that I still remember the outcome, which is of course that we lost horribly because the enemy team surrounded us freely from the clifftops and we couldn't do anything. I was too dumbstruck to really rage much at my team, I only really expressed my awe in how a team could be so mind bendingly stupid.

Edited by Pjwned, 13 October 2015 - 02:46 PM.

[oldradagast]

Eh... now and then I've seen jerks in this game, but it is far, FAR better than most other internet games.

I've played one game of DotA, and I'll never play it again given the horrifically toxic community there. In that one game, my brother-in-law (this was on his account) introduced me as new. Immediately, the coms is drowned out with obscenities, and when we mute that, the in-game chat fills with idiocy like "I hope somebody kills you," f-bombs, and so forth. A bunch of spoiled, worthless men-children upset that a "noob" dares enter their sacred... video game... Well, we won that game, I wasn't the worst player, and I'll never touch that steaming pile of rancid trash for a gaming community again.

Heck, even WoWS has more idiots than MWO when you get to mid-tiers, and I wouldn't consider their community terribly toxic. So, while I'm sorry that you've had more than your fair share of idiots, the MWO community is actually quite good and WAY above average for internet gaming.

[Scurry]

I've only had one rude player in recent memory -

In a Panther on Crimson Straits when the first guy to die said I was too stupid to fire ERPPCs.

Granted I was missing a lot, but I don't play much, and was trying to get used to my shots actually going where they should on the regional server.

My team was up a fair bit, so I went and yoloed a damaged Hellbringer and overheated. That got at least another insult out of him. We won anyway.

Ya know, the main thing that irritated me was how he was insulting without helping. His communication became pointless. Not to mention he was still spectating me up to the second time. What was he, a masochist?

Anyway, my point is that seeing these nutcases is rare, even though aggravating. Thankfully so. I'm a softie, so it sometimes still gets to me. But over time, have to realize that people like that exist, and I have to deal with it. I remember that it's a game, not a competitive sport.

It's hard to generalize all vets. Technically I'm a vet, since I was around since the open beta. I like to think I don't rant in-game much.

[Spleenslitta]

Acier: I've been thinking the same thing lately. i'm actually jealous of the lower tiers sometimes. But i don't want to fail on purpose in lots of games to get to tier 4.
Getting an alternative account to hang out in the lower tiers sounds interresting but fact is that i experienced stuff like this when i was tier 3 too.
So i'd have to be tier 5 to get away from those ego bloated blowhards.

Pjnwed: That's understandable. But that's just the thing. MWO is just a game so even if the team does something stupid we should not lose our temper and scold them.
If we scold them for making mistakes then even if we only lose our temper occasionally with 24 players in a match pretty much all matches end up with this.
22 decide not to say anything while the remaining 2 end up throwing abuse. Even if they are in the minority they still ruin the mood.

Oldragast: I've heard about the Dota community too. That's the reason i never even tried that game. Heard a guy who let his brother play on his account to see if he liked it.
Same result as you got.

Scurry: I didn't generalise all veterans. I said many (but not all) in the early part of my textwall. That guy that kept insulting you is the typical case just more....focused.
Piece of friendly advice...drop the 2nd PPC and load up on secondary weapons. If you get in a brawl or other sticky situation you got enough cool firepower to at least defend yourself.
Having 2 ER PPC's means you have perfect pinpoint damage but you cannot fire so often so you lose damage that way.
PPC's of any type ain't exactly the best weapons up close anyways.

And yup...i'm a softie too. I've told them it's just a game, but they just end up focusing their rage on me then.
Unpleasant either way.

Edited by Spleenslitta, 13 October 2015 - 10:43 PM.

[Mycrus]

I hope PGI implements perma mute... there is guy that plays in oceanic that is absolutelu toxic... everytime he opens his trap on voip i just feel like throwing the game on purpose...

[9thDeathscream]

Problem is that the game in general is so frustrating and unforgiving.

That's what winds people up.

With the PSR changes and how it really punishes pilots in the loosing team. I don't blame peeps for getting ******. Especially on a big loosing streak. Poor XP and CBILL rewards are at fault.

80k CBILLS for a loss with premo time on.
450 XP points as well.

Loosing streaks that last for days sometimes.

Being farmed in CW.

Poor MM in Group Queue due to population issues.

Hit registration.

Lack of communication in forums from PGI.

Twitter primary means of communication from Russ.

Wait times.

Lots of reasons to get annoyed!!!

Edited by Akulla1980, 13 October 2015 - 11:02 PM.

[Karl Streiger]

Oh comon sometimes it is funy when players give you advices - best part ever:
"We all died because this idiot used PPCs at minimum range!"
Considering that i was the last of my team.... fighting multiple foes - i let go of keyboard and mouse and start laughting.
i only typed two letters:
"E R"

Sometime people got toxic I try to ignore them, its just a game you don't loose anything but a little bit of lifetime. Take things to serious is never a good idea

Akulla1980, on 13 October 2015 - 10:57 PM, said:

Problem is that the game in general is so frustrating and unforgiving.

That's what winds people up.

With the PSR changes and how it really punishes pilots in the loosing team. I don't blame peeps for getting ******. Especially on a big loosing streak. Poor XP and CBILL rewards are at fault.

Think PSR is important? = you have been trolled by PGI

Edited by Karl Streiger, 13 October 2015 - 10:58 PM.

[MoonUnitBeta]

Yikes.
Yeah some people can take things way over the top. How it affects them is just beyond me.
The people who freak out at their team like you describe I would just label as a control freak. Some guy who obsesses over every detail, and when those details don't work out (announced or not) it's always because of someone else. And it's always someone else's fault because they know they had control over themselves. And because they controlled themselves, it couldn't have been their fault.

It's part of the reason why I turn my VOIP off, which is sad because it can be very helpful, but unfortunately it becomes an easy go-to for harassment.

I was in a game where people were almost frothing at the mouth, telling this new player to "PRESS R!!! TARGET HIM!!!"
"WOW. aim for his torso, it's almost gone." "when you're done, uninstall the game." their voices on the verge of clipping the audio. So I pipe up in chat "wow, all these back-seat pilots should just tone it down."
And the responses I got were "WOW THAT NOOB SHOULD STFU." in chat, and over voip i got(now clipping) "%#$^ YOU. I'M TRYING TO HELP THE GUY. DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME WHAT TO DO. F # @ $. YOU."
I just shake my head, and apologize to the guy who they were yelling at for their behaviour. What can ya do?

[El Bandito]

Vets are mostly fine dealing with their teammates, but then you get guys like Ordellus...

[Elizander]

It depends on the time zone you play in, I suppose. Even if I play a lot I rarely see people who rant on the team. Maybe 2-3 guys out of 50 games who say on all chat that the entire team sucks (who end up with lower scores than me)

Edited by Elizander, 13 October 2015 - 11:29 PM.

[Scurry]

Spleenslitta, on 13 October 2015 - 10:42 PM, said:

Scurry: I didn't generalise all veterans. I said many (but not all) in the early part of my textwall. That guy that kept insulting you is the typical case just more....focused.
Piece of friendly advice...drop the 2nd PPC and load up on secondary weapons. If you get in a brawl or other sticky situation you got enough cool firepower to at least defend yourself.
Having 2 ER PPC's means you have perfect pinpoint damage but you cannot fire so often so you lose damage that way.
PPC's of any type ain't exactly the best weapons up close anyways.

And yup...i'm a softie too. I've told them it's just a game, but they just end up focusing their rage on me then.
Unpleasant either way.

Well......my view was more of the haughty ones are in the minority. I find that criticism, when phrased nicely, usually gets accepted with candor. My bringing up the case was to try and say that it had an effect on me because it doesn't happen often/was not a typical case. Perhaps your experiences are different. Timezones, tier and whatnot.

On the Panther setup - yeah, I altered my setup a while back. At least until I get used to aiming again. Before I took a couple months off, I could still hit with single shots in close. Now, when playing with a ping of 4ms vs 250ms before......all my reflexes are out-of-whack.

[Leone]

Ahh, I think I see your problem. Looks like you got stuck in an unfun tier. You should move down to tiers four an five, things seem fairly pleasant down here.

~Leone.

[Nine-Ball]

Leone, on 14 October 2015 - 12:33 AM, said:

Ahh, I think I see your problem. Looks like you got stuck in an unfun tier. You should move down to tiers four an five, things seem fairly pleasant down here.

~Leone.

Pffft. Join us in Tier 2 for free cookies and beer!

[KuroNyra]

DjPush, on 13 October 2015 - 01:08 PM, said:

Wait... You have to worry about heat in this game?

So that's why I always exploded mid-fight.

That also explain the necessity to always use that overdrive stuff. :3


To the OP. I am a veteran, yet I try to be respectful and polite. When a guy say he's a newbie. I always give him some tips and try to protect him to show him some stuff. (I always tell to visit the forums.)

But yeah, they are people who are just douchebags. Insulting on your language or the fact you don't speak/write a perfect english.

But I also know I can be quick on the trigger, so generally (most of the time in CW). I cut out the ALL channel to avoid the trolls... Works perfectly against the douchebags. ^^


The community is pretty nice actually compared to others. But sadly one thing remain true:
Trolls and douchebags are the loudiest of the players here.



Also: Don't let that tier system bring you down. Multiple times I've heard people saying they prefer a guy tier 4 who play for the fun and is actually nice. Than a tier 1 who play only to win and is a total douche even if he's godlike on the battlefield. (Hopefully not all of them are douche)

Also²: If your team is lost and you are the last alive against a full time.Just charge screaming your name. Not very effective, but a lot of fun. Don't forget the overdrive to be able to keep firing and try to bring one last mech down with you!

Also²²: GET A LOCUST OR A URBIE IF YOU HAVE MC! ENTER THE "SUPER BADASS COOL MECH FANCLUB"

Edited by KuroNyra, 14 October 2015 - 01:44 AM.

[EightBitKnight]

I think some of the vets are salty at having to train new players every other game. I've only ever had a few truly toxic players and one situation that even ended rather comically. Most new players seem to stay quite and sometimes a few ppl try to lead and fail or are told off but hey pug life. I've found most vets to be helpful but they tell it like it is. They wont sugar coat the game or let a player whine about a situation when it was something that was ther fault which ticks others off. Sometimes it's not the player themself but the fact the other player can't take the criticism.

[Spleenslitta]

El Bandito, on 13 October 2015 - 11:06 PM, said:

Vets are mostly fine dealing with their teammates, but then you get guys like Ordellus...

He is a regular offender? I've seen a fair amount of those. But in the end i'm just glad i do not run into the kinda players i meet when VOIP was first implemented.
Had a game back then were they sexually harrassed a 10-12 year old boy who played MWO while he used VOIP.
3 adults ganging up on a child and a woman among them who should have had the motherly instinct to protect him rather than laugh at the crude jokes.

That was the worst thing i've ever seen in all my years of gaming. Thankfully i've never heard or seen anything like that again.
That match is something i will remember as a nightmare till the day i'm an ancient leathery raisin looking old codger.

Scurry, on 13 October 2015 - 11:29 PM, said:

Well......my view was more of the haughty ones are in the minority. I find that criticism, when phrased nicely, usually gets accepted with candor. My bringing up the case was to try and say that it had an effect on me because it doesn't happen often/was not a typical case. Perhaps your experiences are different. Timezones, tier and whatnot.

On the Panther setup - yeah, I altered my setup a while back. At least until I get used to aiming again. Before I took a couple months off, I could still hit with single shots in close. Now, when playing with a ping of 4ms vs 250ms before......all my reflexes are out-of-whack.

They are in the minority but all it takes to make a game unpleasant for an entire team is 1 or 2 on their team going throwing abuse.
I decided waaaay back that i would make my own builds and weapon quirks could take a hike for the most part....it paid off.
Weapon quirks will get removed soon and i don't get hurt by it at all.

MoonUnitBeta, on 13 October 2015 - 11:01 PM, said:

Yikes.
Yeah some people can take things way over the top. How it affects them is just beyond me.
The people who freak out at their team like you describe I would just label as a control freak. Some guy who obsesses over every detail, and when those details don't work out (announced or not) it's always because of someone else. And it's always someone else's fault because they know they had control over themselves. And because they controlled themselves, it couldn't have been their fault.

It's part of the reason why I turn my VOIP off, which is sad because it can be very helpful, but unfortunately it becomes an easy go-to for harassment.

I was in a game where people were almost frothing at the mouth, telling this new player to "PRESS R!!! TARGET HIM!!!"
"WOW. aim for his torso, it's almost gone." "when you're done, uninstall the game." their voices on the verge of clipping the audio. So I pipe up in chat "wow, all these back-seat pilots should just tone it down."
And the responses I got were "WOW THAT NOOB SHOULD STFU." in chat, and over voip i got(now clipping) "%#$^ YOU. I'M TRYING TO HELP THE GUY. DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME WHAT TO DO. F # @ $. YOU."
I just shake my head, and apologize to the guy who they were yelling at for their behaviour. What can ya do?

I tried turning both my VOIP and chat off completly for a while after i had that nightmare match i described to El Bandito up above.
In the end i turned both back on. But if this keeps up it might be worth it to turn them off again.
Thankfully i use speakers and most of the insults on VOIP are unclearly said so i don't know what their mumbling about.
Had plenty of those guys saying Noob, uninstall now and just generaly being a bunch of....sauskalla....that's norwegian for sheepheads.
Not much going on between those ears.

Those guys really make me wish there was an ingame or at least in mechlab report button where everything that happend in the chat/VOIP and Teamkilling could be reported efficiently with minimal effort.
Apologising to that new player is one of the more mature things i've heard in quite a while. Godt gjort. Well done.