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[Bishop Steiner]

As per a conversation with Russ on Twitter, yes Archers WILL get missile bay doors, a al the Catapult.
https://twitter.com/...723021780074496
Those doors, if shot while open will NOT count as CT, and will have their own health of some sort, and indeed are apparently going to be destructible.


Ah yeah. Unless they really pooch the in game model somehow, don't see this thing NOT becoming a favorite for me.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 20 December 2015 - 04:04 PM.

[Bulletsponge0]

what was the "enforcer fiasco" mentioned in that conversation?

[Fiona Marshe]

Next question will be: is destructible missile doors going to be retrofitted to older mechs with doors?

[Bishop Steiner]

Bulletsponge0, on 20 December 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

what was the "enforcer fiasco" mentioned in that conversation?

..... Old complaint over the really poorly modeled head on the Enforcer.

Really not relevant to the conversation at hand, which was based on the Warhammer model and proposed changes to it Russ is going to look into tomorrow.

I wouldn't call it a fiasco so much as disappointing. The concept art head was freaking cool. Instead we got...Peyton Mannings forehead. But really not the time or place for that discussion, lol.

[Bulletsponge0]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 December 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

..... Old complaint over the really poorly modeled head on the Enforcer.

Really not relevant to the conversation at hand, which was based on the Warhammer model and proposed changes to it Russ is going to look into tomorrow.

I wouldn't call it a fiasco so much as disappointing. The concept art head was freaking cool. Instead we got...Peyton Mannings forehead. But really not the time or place for that discussion, lol.

ah...got it

and I think everyone expected the archer to have missile doors...and to have them count as ST would be unfair, when open...when closed they absolutely should count as ST

[Kaeb Odellas]

Do missile door still do the -10% damage taken thing when they're closed?

[The Lost Boy]

More chickanery to sell mechs?

[Bishop Steiner]

Lemming of the BDA, on 20 December 2015 - 04:18 PM, said:

More chickanery to sell mechs?

honestly, don't care the "reason", real, imagined or implied.

It's a cool thing, and THAT is what matters.

Kaeb Odellas, on 20 December 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

Do missile door still do the -10% damage taken thing when they're closed?

Uncertain, but probably, will ask.

Bulletsponge0, on 20 December 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

ah...got it

and I think everyone expected the archer to have missile doors...and to have them count as ST would be unfair, when open...when closed they absolutely should count as ST

or blow off easy, I guess. Something.

But you know how some Meta minded folks are... and the Lore-Haters.... "Missile Doors will ruin my Meta!"

Ya know...ignoring the fact it's a Missile Boat and probably not gonna fit meta to begin with.

[cazidin]

...So... will Catapults get retrofitted or is this to counter the 9 LRM 5 Archer?

[Monkey Lover]

Well I was thinking about skipping this one but now I must get it : )

Edited by Monkey Lover, 20 December 2015 - 04:26 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

cazidin, on 20 December 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

...So... will Catapults get retrofitted or is this to counter the 9 LRM 5 Archer?

Catapults are getting their rescale (in fact, quite likely that has started now), with any hope that's part of it, but it's really a different subject.

personally, I say tie any "Armor" quirk in the STs to the Doors, and whenever that bonus armor is depleted on the ST, they blow off.

Make the quirk a little cooler, IMO.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 20 December 2015 - 04:30 PM.

[MauttyKoray]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 December 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

As per a conversation with Russ on Twitter, yes Archers WILL get missile bay doors, a al the Catapult.
https://twitter.com/...723021780074496
Those doors, if shot while open will NOT count as CT, and will have their own health of some sort, and indeed are apparently going to be destructible.


Ah yeah. Unless they really pooch the in game model somehow, don't see this thing NOT becoming a favorite for me.

Wow, Russ included me? I feel a bit special. Also, you have no idea how hard I screamed like a school girl reading that about the Archer. My fiance might be questioning our relationship after that. xD

[Bishop Steiner]

MauttyKoray, on 20 December 2015 - 04:34 PM, said:

Wow, Russ included me? I feel a bit special. Also, you have no idea how hard I screamed like a school girl reading that about the Archer. My fiance might be questioning our relationship after that. xD

live and let live....tell her its OK to scream like a school girl now.....

[MauttyKoray]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 December 2015 - 04:35 PM, said:

live and let live....tell her its OK to scream like a school girl now.....

Haha, my only concern is the model. I'm actually growing on the Warhammer model though... Its not the concept exactly, but I think it deserves its own respect at this point. Still needs the arm change, but Russ said that one is at least possible if I remember correctly?

Bishop Steiner, on 20 December 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

..... Old complaint over the really poorly modeled head on the Enforcer.

Really not relevant to the conversation at hand, which was based on the Warhammer model and proposed changes to it Russ is going to look into tomorrow.

I wouldn't call it a fiasco so much as disappointing. The concept art head was freaking cool. Instead we got...Peyton Mannings forehead. But really not the time or place for that discussion, lol.

Not just the head. The entire mech while still recognizable was changed overall in proportions. The result created a mech significantly different from what the original concept visual. The head/cockpit area was simply the worst part of it. I'll go find the comparison image, got it somewhere...

Its probably the worst case we've had of translation between the concept art and model in my opinion. Overall though PGI has been doing really well with its models for the most part, only minor things for complaints. (like the Warhammer's cockpit being too high)

Edited by MauttyKoray, 20 December 2015 - 04:51 PM.

[Novakaine]

Archer hell Yeah!

[Bishop Steiner]

MauttyKoray, on 20 December 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

Haha, my only concern is the model. I'm actually growing on the Warhammer model though... Its not the concept exactly, but I think it deserves its own respect at this point. Still needs the arm change, but Russ said that one is at least possible if I remember correctly?

will unless we keep poking the bear on his day off..... still could decide to reverse it all if we keep annoying him.

[Hit the Deck]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 December 2015 - 03:58 PM, said:

...
Ah yeah. Unless they really pooch the in game model somehow, don't see this thing NOT becoming a favorite for me.

Hey, you said that Whammy will be your signature Mech! I'm sure that she will not be happy.

[MauttyKoray]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 December 2015 - 04:47 PM, said:

will unless we keep poking the bear on his day off..... still could decide to reverse it all if we keep annoying him.

I only poked him about concern on the inclusion of the Archer missile doors. Haven't said a word about the Warhammer. =D No need to when you already got through to him.

Bulletsponge0, on 20 December 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

what was the "enforcer fiasco" mentioned in that conversation?

Found it... A lot of people don't seem to mind. But with the Enforcer being one of my favorite mechs and the very noticeable difference between the designs. Understandably it hit home for me, and I refer to it as a fiasco because its the most modified model in comparison to its concept as far as I know.



Its an old, dead topic now, its not going to change after all the work it went through to make it in the first place. Its just a reminder for me to take every concept with a grain of salt and never expect the model to match the concept art completely.

That's not to say PGI is bad at it, just that some will be different. In contrast the Panther was done really well at the same time as this mech, so it probably artificially inflated the perceived differences of the Enforcer at the same time.

Edited by MauttyKoray, 20 December 2015 - 05:09 PM.

[Gryphorim]

It'd be really cool to have mesh updates on Crab, King Crab, and Stalker to use this same locallised destruction model. Hopefully, Catapult is already getting this treatment

[Mcgral18]

Kaeb Odellas, on 20 December 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

Do missile door still do the -10% damage taken thing when they're closed?

They do.

Test it on the Training Grounds Catapult 60 armour, but 3 AC20s don't breach.

Takes 3 SLs on top of that to breach it.

60*.9=54
9*0.9=8.1

Over 60, upon which you hit Structure.


I know there was the old HUD bug which displayed the additional slots, like other games had for the TimberWolves missile box.

The WWWWW bug circa 2013