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[MechWarrior319348]

I wanted to change this in case anyone comes stumbling upon It, my personal opinion now is that I was wrong with my OP.


This is directed at any PGI employee who maybe able to shed light on this situation. I thank you for your time if you decide to respond.

I might be confused or misguided here, my intention is not to be an ***. But about this whole money thing. I understand that the initial award money put fourth by the company to get the ball rolling was paid for... by PGI. I understand the need for fun, and progress with this game. But couldn't that money be put to use fixing all the issues the game has right now?

I know that is a bold question but I couldn't think of another way to put it. I've put in a lot of money to this game because I enjoy playing it. I dont want It to go to a... prize giveaway.

I may have missed where the initial prize money came from, if you could point that out, I would appreciate it.

If that money came from your sponsors, that seems fine, but the real question I would like to have answered is simply:

How will this tournament benefit towards the development of MechWarrior Online?

Thank you

I must also provide you with a link to this thread, the community has been discussing this, and it is only fair that you can see this, so that there is as much clarity between you and the community as possible.

here

Edited by Gigliowanananacom, 03 May 2016 - 06:43 PM.

[TLBFestus]

We've been told it's "Sponsors Money", but honestly, I have no idea if it's all Sponsors, or PGI's (read "ours").

The point is, RB sees this happening to the game;






While all I see is PGI giving a bunch of money to a very small segment of the population of the game.

Funny thing is we know that there are some cash prizes, but maybe the final laugh will be when they give out MC rewards or mechs to players and use that to add to the total "cash value" of the prizes.

[Monkey Lover]

No company gives away money without the hope of making more back. They haven't even started but this Championship is already showing up on gaming websites.
Search yahoo for "MechWarrior Online World Championship" and you can see who is talking about it. Each one of these gets new people to show up and spend money on this game.

[LasBlast]

International company drops $100,000 on advertising should not be news...

[MechWarrior319348]

I wanted to change this in case anyone comes stumbling upon It, my personal opinion now is that I was wrong with my OP.

[Sereglach]

TLBFestus, on 12 April 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

We've been told it's "Sponsors Money", but honestly, I have no idea if it's all Sponsors, or PGI's (read "ours").

The point is, RB sees this happening to the game;



While all I see is PGI giving a bunch of money to a very small segment of the population of the game.

Funny thing is we know that there are some cash prizes, but maybe the final laugh will be when they give out MC rewards or mechs to players and use that to add to the total "cash value" of the prizes.

The sad part is that will never happen when this "World Championship" is set up in a venue that can't even hold 2k people by the time you've thrown in the contestants, "press", and PGI staff themselves.

You'd have thought they'd try to make a big deal out of this, with a suitable venue, especially with the fact that they're going so far as to declare themselves THE "Mech Con" for an official event (I wonder how Catalyst/Topps feels about that). I've yet to see a Convention level event that could hold less than 5k people in the entertainment fields (the smallest I could find was the 2008 E3 Expo only had 5k attendees, due to venue size constraints . . . smaller conventions averaged 10-15k while larger conventions reached 50-160k).

You'd think they'd aim big and not try to sell themselves so short and aim so low. I guess if they do that and they do even slightly better -than the very low bar they've set- they'll call it an amazing success. We'll just have to see, I guess.

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Towards the OP, I honestly don't think you're out of line or wrong in the original opinion. It's like how the entire MWO community was utterly enraged with the "Transverse" announcement immediately following the very serious and successful sales from the original "Clan Invasion" Wave of mechs and separation from IGP (apparently much of the profits from those Clan sales were used to buy their freedom from IGP, however). People wanted to know where that money was coming from, because it sure as hell felt like that money was coming from people who invested money into MWO -which was supposed to be for MWO- and was instead being funneled over to this other project. While they denied it over and over again, there was never any adamant proof given; and that was certainly a major factor in the negative attitude towards PGI's attempt -and major failure- at a second game.

Regardless, wherever the original prize money is coming from, they've stated the whole reason they've announced the "Tournament Supporter" packs is to raise more money for the prize pool. Their own FAQ states that they're going to have more "Tournament Supporter Items" available in the future. Now, of those $10 packs, only $5 goes to the prize pool (officially stated on the Supporter Pack page) . . . so where does the other $5 go? To help pay for the event? Are they that desperate (i.e. is setting up this event putting them in debt)? Does it go into the game? Does it go into their profit margin? Nothing has given any answers for any of that, yet.

Edited by Sereglach, 03 May 2016 - 07:32 PM.

[Grrzoot]

please stop, thanks.

[Rushin Roulette]

Monkey Lover, on 12 April 2016 - 09:12 AM, said:

No company gives away money without the hope of making more back. They haven't even started but this Championship is already showing up on gaming websites.
Search yahoo for "MechWarrior Online World Championship" and you can see who is talking about it. Each one of these gets new people to show up and spend money on this game.

Well. seeing as PGI have already taken in USD 28020,00 to date for the Supporter packets (This is easy to calculate, as 50% of the money they make is added to the overall prize pool, so it is the prize money minus the original USD 100000,00);

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• Boost the Prize Pool! Each purchase of a Tournament Supporter Pack will boost the $100,000 Tournament Prize Pool by $5 USD!

[Paradox42]

If I want to feel like the smartes person in the room, I usually come here and read what some people are posting here. It is really hilarious. Especially all the advise about how to run a business or organize events, or how to use the money they make from their business from people who usually fail at organizing a birthday party for their 5 year old nephew. Yes, I agree some of PGI's decisions are not in the best interest of their own business, and I might not be happy about others as a player, but well, it is their business, and therefore their decision. If you don't like it, don't spend money on the game, stop playing, say it in a reasonable manner, but please, stop being such a big-head dork. ...Nah, just kidding, be a dork, keep me entertained. Lol.

[Paitr aConn]

Sereglach, on 03 May 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

[color=#959595]because it sure as hell felt like that money was coming from people who invested money into MWO -which was supposed to be for MWO-[/color]

Um, in no way is pgi required to spend monies made from mwo solely on mwo. they can spend it on anything they like, including strting a brewery, or a porn company, or any dang video game they want to develope. Its attitudes like this that make so many people assuming something that was never stated by pgi, like "we want to have CW out 90 days after launch" is in NO WAY a promise to have cw out 90 days after launch, and a whole myriad of other assumptions made about "promises" pgi made that make people just so darn angry.

[Sereglach]

Stone Davion, on 18 May 2016 - 10:43 PM, said:

Um, in no way is pgi required to spend monies made from mwo solely on mwo. they can spend it on anything they like, including strting a brewery, or a porn company, or any dang video game they want to develope. Its attitudes like this that make so many people assuming something that was never stated by pgi, like "we want to have CW out 90 days after launch" is in NO WAY a promise to have cw out 90 days after launch, and a whole myriad of other assumptions made about "promises" pgi made that make people just so darn angry.

Actually, since you're brand new around here (seeing as your account is a week old, as of this post), you might want to look into something called Transverse, and the fiasco that caused. People have invested a lot of money into MWO with the belief that it'll be going back into MWO for development. PGI has stated on many numerous occasions that the money that MWO raises is utilized in MWO's development. PGI has blatantly stated, on numerous occasions, that if PGI develops another game or project it will either be crowd funded for that game or they will seek outside investment/revenue streams for initial development. Thusly, your statements don't mean anything towards this regard, mostly because you failed to take the context of the situation into question.

Besides, I'd love to see how well any company would be surviving if they told their investors, "Hey, you know all that money you invested in us? Instead of developing the promised video game we built a yoga studio . . . it'll work out for the best, just wait and see." That company would go under in a heartbeat from the investors suing to get their money back or from class-action false-advertising lawsuits. It's the same reason the projects on places like Kickstarter MUST deliver exactly what they said they'll deliver or they MUST refund all the money.

When a game is in a perpetual state of development, like MWO, and -especially when many of the promised initial features have yet to be delivered- people are investing money into the game to further the development of the game, they do have a right to know where their money is going. Now, when MWO is in its still-beta phase (in fact, faction warfare is still in open beta), the money invested into the game for development of features better be going back into the development of features. PGI's state and pace of development are the reasons many of the old "whales" are no longer spending money on the game.

Now, before you start more lecturing of people on "perceived promises" I strongly suggest you do more research into PGI's history of development . . . especially the 2012-2014 timeframe, when PGI had its absolute worst reputation for development and failing to keep any promises (on things as simple as "weapon balance is coming in this patch" and then there's no weapon balance). That will give you a far better image on why people, who have been around for a while, have the skepticism and mentalities that they have towards PGI.

Edited by Sereglach, 19 May 2016 - 07:25 AM.

[Paitr aConn]

Sereglach, on 19 May 2016 - 07:19 AM, said:

Actually, since you're brand new around here (seeing as your account is a week old, as of this post), you might want to look into something called Transverse, and the fiasco that caused. People have invested a lot of money into MWO with the belief that it'll be going back into MWO for development. PGI has stated on many numerous occasions that the money that MWO raises is utilized in MWO's development. PGI has blatantly stated, on numerous occasions, that if PGI develops another game or project it will either be crowd funded for that game or they will seek outside investment/revenue streams for initial development. Thusly, your statements don't mean anything towards this regard, mostly because you failed to take the context of the situation into question.

Besides, I'd love to see how well any company would be surviving if they told their investors, "Hey, you know all that money you invested in us? Instead of developing the promised video game we built a yoga studio . . . it'll work out for the best, just wait and see." That company would go under in a heartbeat from the investors suing to get their money back or from class-action false-advertising lawsuits. It's the same reason the projects on places like Kickstarter MUST deliver exactly what they said they'll deliver or they MUST refund all the money.

When a game is in a perpetual state of development, like MWO, and -especially when many of the promised initial features have yet to be delivered- people are investing money into the game to further the development of the game, they do have a right to know where their money is going. Now, when MWO is in its still-beta phase (in fact, faction warfare is still in open beta), the money invested into the game for development of features better be going back into the development of features. PGI's state and pace of development are the reasons many of the old "whales" are no longer spending money on the game.

Now, before you start more lecturing of people on "perceived promises" I strongly suggest you do more research into PGI's history of development . . . especially the 2012-2014 timeframe, when PGI had its absolute worst reputation for development and failing to keep any promises (on things as simple as "weapon balance is coming in this patch" and then there's no weapon balance). That will give you a far better image on why people, who have been around for a while, have the skepticism and mentalities that they have towards PGI.

Dude... none of us are investors. Ive been around since closed beta (its called an alt) So I know exactly what im talking about. i didnt back transvers either. But in no way are they required to spend all monies made by this game solely on the continued developement of this game. If they are, please show me your evidence.