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[Alcom Isst]

This is a list of all current and possible HSL quirks based on stock loadouts. For completionist's sake I've included even the most broken possibilities.

King Crab HSL when?

Variant	HSL Bonus	Currently Have?
JVL-11A	+1 Medium Laser	Yes
KFX-D	+1 LRM15	No
PIR-2	+2 Micro Laser	No
ACW-1	+4 SRM 4&6	No
HSN-8P	+1 LRM5	Yes (new!)
HSN-7D2	+1 RL20	No
HBK-4P	+2 Medium Laser	Yes
HBK-IIC	+1 UAC20	Yes
HBK-IIC-B	+1 SSRM6	No
HMN-PA	+1 SSRM6	No
KTO-GB	+1 SRM4&6	No
NVA-Prime	+6 ER Medium Laser	No
UZL-BE	+1 LPPC	Yes (new!)
HLF-1	+2 Heavy Medium Laser	No
HLF-2	+1 Heavy Medium Laser	No
HBR-P	+1 ER Large Laser	No
LBK-D	+1 SSRM6	No
MAD-BH2	+1 ERPPC	Yes
MDD-A	+2 SRM 6	No
MDD-BA	+1 UAC20	No
MDD-RV	+1 UAC20	No
NCT-PRIME	+1 ER Large Laser	Yes
NCT-B	+4 LRM 15	No
NCT-D	+1 Heavy Large Laser	Yes
NTG-D	+2 LRM 20 Artemis	No
ON1-IIC-B	+2 ER Large Laser	No
SNS-C	+4 LRM 15&20	No
TBR-D	+1 SSRM6	Yes (new!)
TNS-HA	+4 RL10&15	No
TDR-5S-T	+2 Medium Laser	No
ANH-1A	+1 AC/10	No
ANH-1E	+2 PPC	No
ANH-1P	+2 RAC 2&5	No
ANH-MB	+2 PPC +1 SSRM6	No
AWS-8Q	+1 PPC	Yes
AWS-9M	+1 ERPPC	Yes
BAS-Prime	+2 Heavy Medium laser	No
BAS-RA	+2 ER Large Laser	No
DWF-Prime	+2 ER Large Laser	No
DWF-A	+1 Large Pulse Laser	Yes
EXE-A	+1 Large Pulse Laser	Yes
EXE-D	+3 MPL&SPL&ERSL	Yes
FNR-6U	+1 UAC/20 +1 LPPC	No
FNR-5E	+1 UAC/20 +1 LRM10	No
FNR-6R	+2 SNPPC	No
FNR-WR	+3 RL15	No
HGN-IIC-A	+1 ERPPC	Yes
KGC-000	+1 AC/20	No
KGC-0000	+1 AC/20	No
KGC-000B	+1 AC/20	No
KGC-KJ	+2 PPC	No
KDK-1	+2 ER Medium Laser	No
KDK-5	+3 ER Medium Laser	No
MCII-2	+1 SSRM4	No
MCII-4	+2 ER Large Laser	No
MCII-B	+1 UAC20	No
MAD-IIC	+1 ERPPC	No
MAD-IIC-C	+1 Large Pulse Laser	No
MAD-IIC-SC	+1 SSRM6	No
NSR-9J	+1 ERPPC	Yes
NSR-9S	+1 UAC/20	Yes
NSR-WP	+1 SSRM 4&6	No
SNV-1	+4 ER Large Laser	No
SNV-B	+2 Large Pulse Laser	No
SNV-C	+2 Large Pulse Laser	No
SNV-BR	+1 UAC/20	Yes
WHK-Prime	+2 ERPPC	No

Update history
- New HSL quirks from Patch 2237 2019-02-19
- Added missing mechs from Jay Leon Hart
- Added missing mechs from IdToaster
- New HSL quirks and Heat penalties from Patch 2251 2019-03-19

Edited by Alcom Isst, 16 March 2019 - 04:24 PM.

[Potatomasher69]

I am certainly excited for this on assault mechs. Now, at least on some variants, assault mechs can have weapon systems to justify moving 48kph and having poor agility. Think about how Nascar might change if the light mech winning the race has to worry about finding a KGC that might just put 2xAC20 into a torso or perhaps a ANA-1E that can put 4xPPC on target.

4xERLL on any DWF might be fun too.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Nice list! I have a few additions/changes;
HLF-1 +1 HSL & +2 HML & +1 LRM10
HLF-2 +1 HML
HBR-P +1 ERLL
NCT-A +2 ERLL
NCT-B +4 LRM15
SNS-C +4 LRM15/20
NTG-D +2 LRM20
FNR-5E +1 UAC20 & +2 LRM5 & +1 LRM10
Rancor +2 ERLL
MCII-4 +2 ERLL
MCII-B +1 UAC20
EXE-D +3 MPL/SPL/ERSL
KDK-5 +4 ERML

Thread by The6thMessenger

[Hauptmann Keg Steiner]

If Rocket Launchers count, the Wrath could theoretically use one for its 4 RL15s.

Also the Nova Prime and its dozen ERMLs. nvm, missed that on the first list somehow.

Edited by IdToaster, 16 February 2019 - 04:13 AM.

[Hauptmann Keg Steiner]

Since sleeping's a thing I'm apparently not doing now, have some more:

KFX-D: LRM ??? +1 (has 2 15s + 1 5)
ACW-Prime: SSRM 6 +1
HBK-IIC-B: SSRM 6 +1
Pakhet: SSRM 4 +1
Golden Boy: SRM 4/6 +1
LBK-D: SSRM 6 +1
Bandit: UAC 20 + 1
Revenant: LRM 10/20 +2
ON1-IIC-B: ERLL +2
SNV-C: LPL +2
Scorch: SSRM 6 +1
MCII-2: SSRM 4 +1

...jesus there's a lot of mechs hit hard by that quad streak 4/6 penalty.

[ShiverMeRivets]

I am pretty much against all of these +HSL.
Ghost heat was introduced for a reason. That reason still exists. In some special cases I can see an argument for allowing +HSL on a mech that is otherwise “under performing” and unpopular. The Awsome is a good example of this. This has to be evaluated case by case with the default answer being “NO”.

[Y E O N N E]

Most of the 'Mechs on that list neither need nor deserve HSL quirks and some of them would even be balance-upsetting if they received the listed suggestion.

[MechWarrior414712]

^With the above I have to agree with most of the mechs on the list. Obviously warhawk being arguably one of the best assaults right now doesn't need a ppc hsl quirk. Kingcrabs in theory would not need an ac20 hsl quirk as they have some really good builds right now, like 3ac2 3rac2, but it would make a fun alternative which isn't necessarily any better. Just a new way to play the mech.

[InspectorG]

ShiverMeRivets, on 17 February 2019 - 12:43 AM, said:

I am pretty much against all of these +HSL.
Ghost heat was introduced for a reason. That reason still exists. In some special cases I can see an argument for allowing +HSL on a mech that is otherwise “under performing” and unpopular. The Awsome is a good example of this. This has to be evaluated case by case with the default answer being “NO”.

Yeah, 4erll+2gauss+X-erml Dire... right back to big alpha days.

[Khobai]

HSL quirks should not be given automatically to mechs just so they can use their stock loadouts without ghost heat. Thats a dangerous precedent for obvious reasons.

[Rioting Baboon]

It's definitely needed for the MDD-BA