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[100mile]

Will people be able to switch sides during a battle...Can somebody infiltrate a faction join a battle and then attack the faction they are supposed to be fighting with/for during the same battle...

Furthermore should it be allowed?

Personal opinion is yes..would make more realistic on the human side by adding layers to the interaction between players...it would also lead to ways for smaller factions to compete with larger factions...maybe helping to balance things out....

[Helmer]

Personally... no. not during a battle. Too much room for griefing and possible exploits.

If they were able to create some sort of system to avoid those things, then sure. But if that were the case, it would probably negate most of the reasons to do so.

[whiskey tango foxtrot]

No honor in this......could lead to back shooting and all sorts of ickey stuff

[Hayden]

When St. Ives and Free Tikonov broke off... well... lots of defections from the CCAF then

[Kenyon Burguess]

you have to keep the game play balanced and the sides somewhat fair or people wont want to play. someone changing sides mid-fight would drive me away from the game.

[Tyzh]

There would be no way to implement such a mechanic without it being a fun-crushing, soul-stealing, sadness.

[Opus]

Defect/Treason call it what you will. it will happen - either by log out to leaving your group undermanned for a mission or deceit for Intel and/or sabotage during a mission. I just see it happening one way or another.

Command and Control whether it be by Command mech or Group management could/would/should limit comm traffic and limit access to Mission data as "need to know". True command mechs had the ability to override comm traffic, and some major advancements led to power down of mechs command - coming from a command & Control system.

Either way, it is very realistic, and Should make you stop and think about who you hire, and your loyalties......

Edited by Opus, 30 January 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[MuffinTop]

100mile, on 30 January 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Will people be able to switch sides during a battle...Can somebody infiltrate a faction join a battle and then attack the faction they are supposed to be fighting with/for during the same battle...

Furthermore should it be allowed?

Personal opinion is yes..would make more realistic on the human side by adding layers to the interaction between players...it would also lead to ways for smaller factions to compete with larger factions...maybe helping to balance things out....

How is that realistic compared to real world combat, past or present? I hated the teamswitching in BF and other games. Hell to the NOOOO!

[Sesambrot]

I don't think you should be able to spawn with the enemy, all that does is killing fun.
However, I could totally see an IFF Jammer or some similar equipment being used for that purpose. Maybe even a device/module that makes the enemies systems think you're one of them, but disengages as soon as your shooting at someone, like the Spy's disguises in TF2, only that it doesn't make your mech look any different.
Equipment like that would probably only be available for mechs/pilots highly specialised in electronic warfare though

[Tifalia]

100mile, on 30 January 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Will people be able to switch sides during a battle...Can somebody infiltrate a faction join a battle and then attack the faction they are supposed to be fighting with/for during the same battle...

Furthermore should it be allowed?

Personal opinion is yes..would make more realistic on the human side by adding layers to the interaction between players...it would also lead to ways for smaller factions to compete with larger factions...maybe helping to balance things out....

Do you mean, like that campaign mission in MehWarrior 2: Mercenaries, in the Campaign "Gravenhague", where they needed to defend the water supply tanks for for the first two missions and by the third mission (and last of that campaign) your mercenary unit had the option of letting the enemy escape (double pay!) or annihilating them?

[LordKnightFandragon]

100Mile, imma Cyber slap you for suggesting we have Treason in this game.....We already can have it..its called TKing...the last damn thing we need is for it to be legal or for the moron doing it to get something from it....

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 03 February 2012 - 12:32 PM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Tifalia, on 30 January 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Do you mean, like that campaign mission in MehWarrior 2: Mercenaries, in the Campaign "Gravenhague", where they needed to defend the water supply tanks for for the first two missions and by the third mission (and last of that campaign) your mercenary unit had the option of letting the enemy escape (double pay!) or annihilating them?

No lol, he means basically Team Killing......

[Helmer]

Not in battle, however, I cannot wait to see major merc groups defect to other Houses...

[CobraFive]

I dunno, stuff like this sounds cool but it rarely ends up actually being cool. Sure everyone knows that one time in Eve but otherwise people ripping eachother off only hurts the community.

[Outlaw2]

Don't make TKing a game feature

[Lorcan Lladd]

Oh, I'm sure most people and Mercenary Corporations will switch sides at one point or another - perhaps within battles as they come to disagreements with their lancemates, or just during Faction warfare battles, if Corporations and individual players are even going to be involved with those kinds of matches.
Some of them have already discussed the viability of spying on the training routine, strategies and private communications, both inside and outside of forums, of rival Corporations; so, yes, lots and lots of treason, as usual.

That doesn't mean it is going to be something officially implemented in-game, or that it should be...
...While that would make it easier to track such behavior, if only by giving it official sanction, and encouraging treason and griefing.
And why the heck would you do that?

Edit for clarity.

Edited by Lorcan Lladd, 30 January 2012 - 08:28 PM.

[Dlardrageth]

LordKnightFandragon, on 30 January 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

100Mile, im not going to Cyber slap you for suggesting we have Treason in this game.....We already can have it..its called TKing...the last damn thing we need is for it to be legal or for the moron doing it to get something from it....

Indeed, switching sides during battle and actually getting a reward for that... Will lead to only one thing. Nobody except the newbs will be willing to team up with anyone he doesn't really trust any more, gods beware even a total stranger. Way to make it harder to get matches...

[Alaskan Viking]

Geist Null, on 30 January 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

you have to keep the game play balanced and the sides somewhat fair or people wont want to play. someone changing sides mid-fight would drive me away from the game.

Yeah, it's realistic and makes for a good plot for a movie, but it does not belong in a 10 vs 10 multi player game.

[Alaric Wolf Kerensky]

This belongs in a "Top 10 Dumbest Ways to Run a Game" list. Hove you ever played a game where people **** the fun and beauty of the experience by killing friendlies? I doubt it if you think this is a cool idea. If you cannot hold your own in a straight up honorable battle, then you can always play something such as COD. Try the hardcore mode. I hear that you can back stab your teammates there!!!

Small rant aside, realize that in order for someone to join a military, they have to go through significant screening and observation, in addition to being a citizen for x years. You would find it immensely difficult to take a Steiner Mechwarrior, and find a way to weasel him into the Davion military, especially considering that with how valuable and powerful BattleMechs are, anyone allowed to pilot one will have gone through the greatest amount of scrutiny possible, for just the reason you described.

[Ghostrider45]

It's very good if your side wins But if your side loses the Battle then they hunt you Down an Step on like a D E A D Bog!!!!!!!