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[Mikhalio]

for those who can see the closed forums, this is my post, where goons and I have been providing our professional comments to the developers.

Not doing thread derail, but it's important that main forums actually understand what is populist hype (not actually helping an executive developer team Know what is wrong with their game as it is field tested) and what is a structured feedback report.

http://mwomercs.com/...y/page__st__120

[Weiland]

The OP is absolutely full of Atlas slag.

The game is actually well balanced at the moment. A few things could use buffs (make MG's a little more effective, make light ACs a bit more ton-efficient, etc), but ultimately it's not what your damage per second that determines whether or not you survive and thrive in a match - it's your competency as a mechwarrior and your cooperation and communication with your team.

Which is why exactly PUGs get stomped by premades all the time - because PUGs don't have a good method to communicate (the addition of in-game VOIP for teams would make most PUGs startlingly more effective). And this is to any of you: if your win/loss is less than 2:1, go on the unofficial TS and work with some groups. You'll notice a drastic improvement in both enjoyment and effectiveness.

The grind is there, but it's nothing significant. As a founder, I make apx. $200K (that's not counting using a Founder's mech, which often gets me up to $250k). If I'm not going with a crazy reload build (I.E. missile boat, which I could spend up to 100K on missiles after a heavy match), I take home 150K of that. But, let's say that it's a bad day. I make at least $120k a match, no less.

There's no reason, as the OP says, for you to consistently lose over and over and over. If you really don't understand how the game operates, you're going to get ***-raped for sure, but so did I when I started playing. If the OP really did put 100+ hours into the game, he'd have a proper experience level - though I suspect he was one of those people that rushes out and gets vaporized in the first minute of gameplay, quits, and repeats with a different mech.




Oh, and the ******** about players getting banned for silly **** like he mentioned - running out of bounds, rushing into a fight, etc - is all a bunch of crap. Shenanigans. I have half a mind to go on that website and ***** him out for blatantly misleading other players. Hell, I think I might.

Mikhalio, on 21 October 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

for those who can see the closed forums, this is my post, where goons and I have been providing our professional comments to the developers.

Not doing thread derail, but it's important that main forums actually understand what is populist hype (not actually helping an executive developer team Know what is wrong with their game as it is field tested) and what is a structured feedback report.

http://mwomercs.com/...y/page__st__120

I generally stay far, far, far away from anything the goons do.

[Weiland]

Oh, and as proof of what a good team and community can do for you:

125MechWarrior® Credits (Spent most of my MC on mech bays)

457 / 118Kills / Death

1,459,178 C-Bills (This is apparently current only)

567,367XP

391 / 54 Wins / Losses

3.87 Kill / Death Ratio

3,279.05 Accumulative C-Bills Per Match (Glitchy)

1,274.98 Avg. XP Per Match



Though I believe the C-Bills per match statistic only takes into account your current C-bills.

I've been through literally dozens of mechs since I started playing here. Plural. Dozens.

Edited by Weiland, 21 October 2012 - 12:58 PM.

[Inochi]

I started yesterday (technically day before but had to re-patch) and can say that I can see nothing from the OP's "review"...if it can be called that. Sure I screamed, cussed, yelled, and threatened to kick puppies every time I climb into the cockpit of a trial mech; BUT after about 8 hours of "grinding" I raised the 3.xx million Cbills for my Jenner. Yes, I know it's the second cheapest Mech (if memory serves), but if I wanted to, I could have spent a few hours today and had myself a nice LRM boat. It's completely possible to not spend your life grinding with trial mechs to get the mech you want. With trial mechs, you are guaranteed 60k cbills for losing and 75k for winning. That's not counting spotter bonus, kills, assists, component damage, etc. My average win amount was in the 90-100k range, my average losing was 75k (unless we got steamrolled by a premade)

TL;DR - Sure the trial mechs are a hinderance, but I don't see this game being P2W. The only real advantage to using MCred's That I can see is purchasing Mech Bays.

Edited by Inochi, 21 October 2012 - 01:15 PM.

[Weiland]

After taking a close look at EvAv, I'd say to stay away from the site. They operate a bit like Something Awful and are chock-full of unapologetic trolls that enjoy making fun of people and throwing immature insults. Everyone I've seen with over 10K posts over there is an unadulterated douchebucket.

[Asrbwettaw]

I agree with OP. However, this is still in closed beta. Good changes may still come.

[Mikhalio]

Weiland, on 21 October 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

I generally stay far, far, far away from anything the goons do.

Actually, I would encourage you to review our feedback and insight. This may rock your world but most of us can spell Brioni, hold a rolodex worth clout and outgrew our lulz phase sometime around MW3:Mercs.

Word of Lowtax lances really have clocked in some of the highest /play time since Beta 2, and we generally know our ****. The brand of comedy (most of it self-defeating) should not be mixed with our talent bench and insight provided. Tough concept to abstract, I know.


That being said, the game is being MARKETED as an Open Beta (ie. a project now in 'tuning' phase), and as such given NDA is dropped this commentary will become more frequent and will become increasingly distracted as PIR publishes more media outlet materials.

Threads like this however, are highlighting the problem to PIR of how their product will be reviewed. And for that alone is why it should remain on front page. The CONTENT of this review is of limited merit and is filled with half-truth gameplay commentary which only will distract PIR from what REALLY needs to be fixed before a Mid-November open beta.

Edited by Mikhalio, 21 October 2012 - 04:09 PM.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Asrbwettaw, on 21 October 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

I agree with OP. However, this is still in closed beta. Good changes may still come.

Thank you. I do plan on coming back to this sometime in November when I'm not quite as busy. By then I hope to see lots of improvements.

Weiland, on 21 October 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

After taking a close look at EvAv, I'd say to stay away from the site. They operate a bit like Something Awful and are chock-full of unapologetic trolls that enjoy making fun of people and throwing immature insults. Everyone I've seen with over 10K posts over there is an unadulterated douchebucket.

You really need to stay off the internet if opinions offend you so much. Sadly, that accounts for the majority of "users".

[Cerebelli]

Writing a review on an unfinished game is the equivalent of judging a dish on presentation before it's done being cooked. I hate to be so ******* redundant, but it's Closed Beta.

Also, I sighed a total of eight times while reading your review. I restrained myself from the facepalm.

Have a good day.

[Gregorri Davion]

Upright, on 04 October 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

He also said that MWO was fun and still in BETA, but that he didn't like the direction PGI was taking it.

True and to him im sure his points are valid and right. i invite him to make his own version to show PGI how its done, or the rest of you armchair programmers/business owners.

Having valid concerns and using the bug report tool for suggestions and such is the right way. Coming here and sh**ing up the forums is another mater. Ill gently remind those who only see the bad that the door is --------> that way and have a great life ******* and moaning on another set of forums for another game you didnt make. Kthxbai

[MajorLeeHung]

lol the lockwoodx guy is a moron

[Zervziel]

Ah, I thought I smelled the tears of whiners and now we have whiners whining about other's whining preemptively...... We're gonna need a bigger cheese.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Dataman, on 03 October 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

an honest response


srsly, this game is just in close beta state, and only have basic feature such as combat.

Claiming this game is in beta after PGI has already starting taking real money from customers has to be about the most limp **** excuse I've ever heard on a forum. Congrats on being king of the flacid!

[ripperzipper]

My two cents about this:

Props to the guy for making a review on the game and lets be honest, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and views on anything and jumping down his throat for this is not going to change that fact.

In terms of Pay to win, if I am correct the only way to do this is to convert MC into general experience which is possible however it is horridly expensive and doing so will not get you very far as you must first own the chassis variant in order to begin putting experience into skills and due to the expenses drastically going up this is just a stupid idea. (which actually in the long run does not give you that big of an edge over everyone else because of how the combat flows: the % numbers may look big but if you actually look at how slow the mechs are and consider tactics you can employ to counter the different classes of mechs in combat, the bonuses to these aspects of that variant are nice but not actually going to give you the edge that is being whined about.)

In terms of balance, sure the weapons need a bit of balancing in terms of weight and damage but as they are now, the weapons are actually decently balanced already, do not cry about this until you have either actually used the terrain and your teams formation (if any) or have been in a serious match where someone actually takes command and gives out orders that people follow, you will then see how the balance works. (example: I am sure everyone knows this scenario, you start a match and begin moving as a group or following a plan but lo and behold two or three of your teams faster mechs break off in another direction and shortly after their death is slapped onto the scoreboard, you just lost 3 hit and run mechs essential to a combat scenario.) This game has a surprisingly deep learning curve which the current match making just doesn't teach to some people who either don't know the series or are not used to teamwork. Each chassis has a role in the match depending on loadout that has a huge impact on the flow of the fight.

aaand yeah thats my two cents on what I have skimmed through so far, so to any new player who is browsing the forum and sees this, welcome to MWO! Take a bit of time to learn the game and get in there! My tips are simple: look over the current trial mechs in the mech bay and keep in mind what weapon/ammo is in what hardpoint. ALWAYS MANAGE WEAPON GROUPINGS, EVEN IN COMBAT! and for gods sake, work with your team!

[Lufos]

you better dont have a dual core, tho XD

[Jack Dixson]

Weiland, on 21 October 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

Which is why exactly PUGs get stomped by premades all the time - because PUGs don't have a good method to communicate (the addition of in-game VOIP for teams would make most PUGs startlingly more effective). And this is to any of you: if your win/loss is less than 2:1, go on the unofficial TS and work with some groups. You'll notice a drastic improvement in both enjoyment and effectiveness.

Time to go get on the unofficial TS... If this had an efficient and well written VOIP in-game it would be amazing other than trolls and other crap. In fact I think that is all the game really needs to be truly enjoyable... that and/or friends who play.

But please don't tell peeps 2:1 w:l ratio as a guarantee of going into TS... if you have a 2:1 that means that someone is way less than 1:1 unless you have a pyramid scheme (which incidentally is what we have right now).

I wonder if there is a world where a game that tends to favor joystick over mouse/keyboard exists these days... I know back in MW2 joystick reigned supreme, but then mice were utter crap. Since this is based on a FPS engine, I'm going to bet that there isn't a way this game will ever be that way.

I do think that the OP does have a few points, but as everyone else said, it is still beta and there obviously have been improvements since he posted.

[Velba]

lockwoodx, on 24 October 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Claiming this game is in beta after PGI has already starting taking real money from customers has to be about the most limp **** excuse I've ever heard on a forum. Congrats on being king of the flacid!

[ripperzipper]

Velba, on 24 October 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

Broken image is broken

[beachedwalrus]

I have played the game in trial mechs for about 10 hours and what became glaringly obvious was the lack of maps. Obviously these will come in time but it would of been nice to have 8-10 maps off the bat.

[Shakkar]

i play this game since 3 days.
i never played a game like that before and had no clue what im doing in the first matches...
i grinded my first own mech (hunchback sp version?) in a few hours (alone, no teammembers, just pugs) and had much fun..
many questions to aks, many things to learn... but it was fun.

now, 3 days later i have my hunchback ( with every weapon and update i wanted), i have a gausscat ( was reading about at the forums and decided to buy one - well, i do not like it very much - well, was a try) and now im on my way to an atlas - all for free and without big problems so far.

so i cant see the point of the op .. i did all my way as a lone wolf - sure, premadegroups killed us faster then we pop up but hey, its all for free.. and i make still 20 - 60k per match.

in enjoy that game and hopefully there will be more maps, mechs and much more in the future.

all i can say is - dont feed the troll, enjoy the game - and dont forget to blame me for my english ( im german)..

gl and hf..