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#1 darkfiretime

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:15 AM

hey all i had a jenner that died several times while every piece of armour was intact (they didnt damage the hull only the plating but i just die out of no where its not becaus of the overheat it just happens when hit by lrms so i bought the cicada with balistics wich turns out to be completely useless but that thing has the same problem

anyone here having the same isue ??

#2 DeadMeat85

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:36 AM

You might be overheating yourself. Don't override the shutdown for to long, or you go boom.

#3 darkfiretime

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:19 AM

View PostDeadMeat85, on 07 November 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

You might be overheating yourself. Don't override the shutdown for to long, or you go boom.


if you read the message it tells you that it has nothing to do with overheat overide is out of the question for me anyway i had a heat efeciancy of 1.90 with 2 med puls lasers and streak misiles
by the time the medium is ready again im cooled of so overheat. no thats not it

#4 Prophet of Entropy

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:34 AM

you also might be getting 1 shot, ive run 55 damage direct fire alpha and it makes small mechs just fall down dead.

if no one got credit for your death thatd be something, as it is, it just seems you didnt see it comming. it can only take 1 point of damage getting through your armor to your engin or head to kill you.

#5 Squid von Torgar

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:42 AM

A lot of us are seeing this. Its nothing to do with overheating or getting one shot.

#6 Sathroz

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:08 PM

View Postdarkfiretime, on 07 November 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

anyone here having the same isue ??


Yes me and my friends are observing this our selves.
There seems to be a bug whenever mechs take damage.
They just suddenly explode. I've seen this happen with various weapons. I've had it happen to me, and seen it happen to other people I shoot at. They start at 100%. I see them take a few hits, then suddenly boom!

Sadly most people belives this is the OP'ness of LRMs. But since LRMs does spread damage on hit, it seems to trigger the bug more often.

This needs to be fixed real quick....

Edited by Sathroz, 07 November 2012 - 12:08 PM.


#7 Kusanagi Hazen

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

I heard of a bug where critical slots are being hit despite having armor in the location. There might also be a bug where the wireframe does not update the armor/critical section when you are killed. I have died a few times where my torso sections were showing orange/red rather than completely gone as it was prior to the latest patch.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:16 PM

I only had damage to my right arm, then suddenly i exploded killing me outright, it could be that if you take internal damage the mech explodes.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

Ammo explosion?

#10 Legionn

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

Have seen it happen and had it happen to myself. Watched teammates explode who said they still had full structure left and I have also been killed without having any red structure or red armor, everything was still at least orange or better. I have also killed other people that still had structure left and a few 1-shot kills that made no sense against fully armored mechs.

As near as we can tell it has only happened when taking damage in the center torso or cockpit. We have ruled out arms since some of us run around with 0 arm armor to begin with and it has not happened in that location. We have not ruled out legs or left/right torsos however none of us have ever had this weird death bug when taking damage in either of those sections yet. I would venture a guess that the critical hit chance system that is only supposed to work on weapons is taking out some other internal component that it is not supposed to like the gyro or life-support or even the engine itself thus you automatically die even with intact armor/structure.

#11 StainlessSR

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:38 PM

What killed me?

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This shows the bug we are talking about, I have seen it where my internals get blown out the back but never when it shows armor left. This is definitely a through armor crit as a leg crit would just lose the leg and an ammo crit would blow the side or center torso out (have had it happen this patch) so it's looking like an engine crit through armor. I didn't know this was possible, I thought all armor had to be removed for crits.

#12 ExAce

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:47 PM

I have experienced this along with another friend in several rounds.

#13 Zylox

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:54 AM

I've actually been killed from 100% with one direct shot from an AC/5. One shot. Center torso. Died immediately. I was in my DRG-5N with maxed armor, so I have no friggin idea how that would be possible. AC/5 does 5 damage, right? So.. how much damage does it do when it crits, 500? C'mon guys, get your **** together.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:24 AM

This bug is fairly common, I've been killed in a jenner by being hit once with LRMs and I've seen an atlas getting critted through armour as well.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 03:50 AM

Begining to think this is a valid point..have a Dragon with max FF armor and got killed by an LRM barrage.
Maybe if I was a bit banged up but not the first time I get hit..?

So this is why there is so much moaning about LRM being OP now....maybe its just a related bug.
Had two kills in a match yesterday, a Commando (one shot with gauss) and a Wang (one shot)
I then dueled TWO Atlas at close range, getting behind with gauss and streaks plus a med pulse.
we lost but I felt proud of myself for doing so much damage....

Result...10 damage and 100xp wtf?
with 2 kills.
was wondering if it was a result of team damage but to be honest, they all scuttled off into the crater like Zoidberg..to be butchered. I was on the left with a jenn and a cat, neither of which I hit....?

Ps
As a side note my Dragon has ECM I pulled it from my Raven before I sold It.

Edited by Justa Dogtrooper, 08 November 2012 - 03:56 AM.


#16 Sathroz

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:47 AM

View PostThontor, on 08 November 2012 - 08:56 AM, said:

There is a confirmed bug In The paper doll damage display not updating correctly. You can't trust it... There are no through armor criticals, but it might look like it because the paper doll says you have armor when you really don't.

The bug(s) described in these posts has nothing to do with the paperdoll issue.
It might be that some are releated, but not all.
I have experienced this at the start of the game, with no prior damage recieved.

Edited by Sathroz, 08 November 2012 - 09:48 AM.


#17 WarPickle

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:03 AM

View PostSathroz, on 08 November 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

The bug(s) described in these posts has nothing to do with the paperdoll issue.
It might be that some are releated, but not all.
I have experienced this at the start of the game, with no prior damage recieved.



same here I had this at start of match first enemy I run into ;) not head shot either..

#18 Zephyre

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:12 AM

There is a problem with the through armor criticals. I was watch a friend of mine tangle with another mech, I was in full cover perfectly repaired armor. I suddenly just dropped. No other enemy and no one fired at me. Additionally I've dropped perfectly good atlases on the first missle salvo of the match. I still can't figure out how that worked.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:31 AM

Oh so it was a bug what I experienced. I was playing with my lrm cat and this little jenner comes and one shots me with small laser (it looked like one laser was fired). I was looking at my armors at the left bottom corner and I really don't think I should have died to that. Was very "wtf" moment.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:32 AM

Have read about this all over and had it happen ever few matches. Non xl, case equipped. Red Side torso and I die..
Maybe the hit went thru the torso and into the CT internal and tripple critted the engine?





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