34 replies to this topic

[SpiralRazor]

As I think about it...would it not have been a better Idea to put the ECM on the Jenner K, nerf the ECM to something reasonable, and allow all the Raven Variants except for the 2x and 4x to take it? According to Sarna, only the 2x and 4x removes the Guardian.

And maybe give the Ravens some specific modules to take that would make there EWAR kits better with investment then the Jenner Ks?

[FrostCollar]

Not in my opinion. Jenners don't need another buff beyond their existing and considerable advantages, even if it is the Jenner K and even if ECM was weakened. I welcome the move to deny it to all Jenners.

[BlightFang]

We had a poll on this in the general forums... i'm not sure where the thread went.

[Tickdoff Tank]

I wish they would allow the ECM on one of the Cent variants. But I agree that the Jenner does NOT need the ECM, and the Raven does, but I think there should be 2 Raven variants that can mount it, the 3L and one of the others.

[DEHK]

Jenners should not have ECM.

[QuantumButler]

I'm glad the devs came to their senses and removed Jenners from the list of ECM mechs.

Now I will have a reason to buy a 3L Raven.

[Shinzok]

Actually I think my Atlas could make good use of a ECM option

[Fugu]

QuantumButler, on 28 November 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

I'm glad the devs came to their senses and removed Jenners from the list of ECM mechs.

Now I will have a reason to buy a 3L Raven.

This all the way. My 3L will finally not just be a worse Jenner but what it should be. The best choice for serious scouting that is.

Also the pretties light 'Mech.

Edited by Fugu, 28 November 2012 - 07:20 PM.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Jenner is already the best Light Mech. If it gets the ECM too then there will be even less of a reason for the others to exist. Giving the Commando/Raven the ECM and NOT the Jenner would actually give them something to bring to the table and give them a purpose. If the Jenner can't use the ECM, then the others will actually offer you something and/or a reason for them to be played. If the Jenner does get the ECM, then it will continue to be the only Light Mech you should be playing. The Jenner being the king of Lights needs to go away and not getting an ECM would be an effective counterweight. People would then pick the Jenner if they want the best combat Light and/or jets with every variant or pick one of the others if they want the ECM. They wouldn't be pointless as they currently are.

[Orzorn]

There needs to be something the Jenner isn't top dog at. The point of the hardpoint system was to encourage diversity among mechs so that there was no "best mech" or "best mech class", but the Jenner was definitely turning into that due to its excellent hardpoints, placement, and access to jump jets.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

QuantumButler, on 28 November 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

I'm glad the devs came to their senses and removed Jenners from the list of ECM mechs.

Now I will have a reason to buy a 3L Raven.

Yes. If Jenners don't get the ECM then the other Lights will finally have a reason to be played. Currently there's no reason to play a Commando or Raven at all. But if they got an ECM while the Jenner didn't, then they would finally have something to bring to the table.

Orzorn, on 28 November 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

There needs to be something the Jenner isn't top dog at. The point of the hardpoint system was to encourage diversity among mechs so that there was no "best mech" or "best mech class", but the Jenner was definitely turning into that due to its excellent hardpoints, placement, and access to jump jets.

Yup. It has the speed of a Commando with more weapons/armor and better hardpoints than a Raven. It is basically top dog and the only Mech smart Light pilots use. Not getting an ECM would help even the scales.

[QuantumButler]

Bluten, on 28 November 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Yes. If Jenners don't get the ECM then the other Lights will finally have a reason to be played. Currently there's no reason to play a Commando or Raven at all. But if they got an ECM while the Jenner didn't, then they would finally have something to bring to the table.



Yup. It has the speed of a Commando with more weapons/armor and better hardpoints than a Raven. It is basically top dog and the only Mech smart Light pilots use. Not getting an ECM would help even the scales.

Heck, the commando will have a couple advantages over the Raven, since it has a higher top speed, it can be the "fast" ECM mech and the Raven will be the annoying to kill one with enough firepower to support other heavier mechs.

[Jason1138]

Raven should be the only ECM boat in the game out of our current choices

the Commando should do something better than the Jenner too, as long as we're talking about it

[Fugu]

Don't forget that the Jenner would still be a really good 'Mech for hunting those lights with ECM.
A six-laser Jenner doesn't mess around with a Raven and couldn't care less about not having lock on and such.

It just won't get to be the most broken 'Mech in the game.

[Solis Obscuri]

The system is completely ******* broken no matter what you mount it on, so who the hell cares? May as well give to everyone, so we all have an equal chance to break the game having to hp into tardbot 3L-for-"loser".

[SpiralRazor]

The K is gimped for reason then.

[Johnny Reb]

Raven 3L can now have a xl295, so speed will not be a problem anymore! Still gonna run ecm on my Cicada mainly.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 28 November 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[Fugu]

Johnny Reb, on 28 November 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

Raven 3L can now have a xl295, so speed will not be a problem anymore! Still gonna run ecm on my Cicada mainly.

I fare well with a 260. I like to be a little bit more than a walking TAG laser.

[Johnny Reb]

Currently running a 280 with 2 med pulse, 2 streak. Fine. Just gotta replace bab with ecm.

Edited by Johnny Reb, 28 November 2012 - 07:38 PM.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Jenner K is objectively the worst Jenner in the game (unless they add modules that are real game-changers, at which point its extra module slot might be handy). If they want a Jenner to have ECM capability, then the K is by far the most logical (and balanced) option. It's already the high-tech variant, and it'd be a buff to the worst of the lot.

Still, I'd actually be fine if PGI disallowed it on Jenners altogether. I think I'd prefer variety to not variety, but it would definitely help the rather lackluster Raven if it were the sole light ECM carrier (at least until another light mech with stock ECM is added).