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[RumRunner151]

Step1: Use ECM to sneak up behind a group of enemy mechs that feel safe in their ECM bubble and hide about 350m from them.
Step 2: TAG one, target it, and watch him freak out and die in a rain of LRMs
Step 3: Repeat
Step 4: ???
Step 5 Profit

[The Cheese]

Step 6: The enemy sees you standing there like a dolt and takes your head off with a gauss. Your LRMs are now useless again.

[GalaxyBluestar]

so you've suggested 1 way that lrm's maybe viable if enough players are still using lrms and the rest of the team don't see one fool standing there with a TAg like he's exposing himself {in the tactical sense}

sorry if this sounds cruel but yeah i really see everyone opting out of ecm with that gem.

[Karyudo ds]

The Cheese, on 05 December 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Step 6: The enemy sees you standing there like a dolt and takes your head off with a gauss. Your LRMs are now useless again.

Step 7: Get nuked from orbit.

[RumRunner151]

The Cheese, on 05 December 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Step 6: The enemy sees you standing there like a dolt and takes your head off with a gauss. Your LRMs are now useless again.

GalaxyBluestar, on 05 December 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

and the rest of the team don't see one fool standing there with a TAg like he's exposing himself {in the tactical sense}

Reading comprehension FTL.

RumRunner151, on 05 December 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

and hide about 350m from them.

[Karyudo ds]

Hiding would be key. Only problem with this getting that team environment in a single shot on the PuG scene.

[Jeff K Notagoon]

Please show me a video of this hiding within 350m, I'd really like to see it in action.

[Xandre Blackheart]

Tag is unreliable. There are still instances where you tag a mech in the ECM bubble and guess what? No effect. Still can't be targeted.

[The Cheese]

RumRunner151, on 05 December 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

Reading comprehension FTL.

If I'm not mistaken, tag fires a visible beam and requires LOS. Hide. Right.

[RumRunner151]

Jeff K Notagoon, on 05 December 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Please show me a video of this hiding within 350m, I'd really like to see it in action.

My PC is not up to recording and playing. Maybe someone else can.

There is more cover then you think. Trees in caustic. Buildings in most other maps. Little hills. You only have to stick out far enough to clear the tag. 350-400m is further than you may think. Plus the person being TAGged is too busy trying to hide from the downpour to worry about finding me. Usually I can TAG 2 or 3 before I have to run for my life.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

I think you're operating under the assumptions that:
A) Your allies will actually have LRMs when in reality they probably won't. No one will slot them anymore so GL finding a team that has several on it to take advantage of a Tag. Maybe in a pre-made queue you could tell 3 other people to drop with LRMs... but again, GL with that.
B )That the enemy team won't notice you and immediately kill you or run you off.

Why did you make this thread?

Edited by Bluten, 05 December 2012 - 10:23 PM.

[Scratx]

So there must be an invisible beam version of TAG that I don't know about. Please, good sir, how may I get one?

[RumRunner151]

Yes, you do have to coordinate with a couple friends to take advantage of this.

I have not seen TAG be unreliable yet,

And yeah...most people would react by trying to find the TAGger instead of trying to find cover to escape death....NOT. LOL

[Tennex]

thats a lot of work for missles to work. it adds a focous fire compoennet but that would be more in a teamplay environemnet don tsee people bringing LRMs or this happening in pug games at least

[Baed]

In all the pug matches I played today I saw one mech with LRMs. One. So your idea needs a team to be at all effective. I would rather bring another extra laser than a mostly useless tag since I almost always do pug matches.

The only use I've gotten from tag recently has been to use tag and streaks together to lock onto a target and then pound it with missles. ECM just seems overpowered but it was just released recently and that's why we play test. To find the things that are OP and fix them before the games goes live.

[Eleshod]

As an active user of tag it's max range is 450 ((Even with ECM)) once tagged he CAN be targeted from long range, whether your targeting him or that cata from long range. The beam is also damn near microscopic and pointed at the back of a mech no one is going to notice it

[Jalak Bali]

You're missing the important step of having your entire team brawl the enemy team while you LRMs the entire blob, including your teammates, from 350m away. Until the ECM Raven/Commando/Cicada notices what you're doing, hugs you and tickles you to death while you frantically try to get away and yell at your mates to come save your precious yet now useless LRM boat.

Here's the problem with LRM boats in premade 8man now: you're bringing situational firepower that relies on specific but now unlikely conditions. You're better off bringing a Gausstapult which will ALWAYS be useful. Or SRM boat. Or Laser boat.

I don't have a problem with LRM boats. In team play they can quite good and effective. But most of the LRMboats (in PUG drops) are pilots whom I would refer as "leechers". Their entire strat is "hide, sit back behind a rock and once your teammates are engaging the enemy, risking engines and limbs, you PRESS BUTAN FOREVER". It's the lazy man's sniper and with the added bonus of damaging your own teammates. It's easy to spot these people too. In Forest Colony, they will immediately head to the lake and hide behind the big rock. One time it was a 2 pilots premade and they actually told the rest of the team they will not engage until we did, and that they would "flank". They couldn't, since the brawl was under ECM bubble and so they just stood there while the team died from lack of 2 Heavies, then the enemy Lights finished them off. Why they didn't play as 1 LRMboat and the other as the ECCM spotter is obvious: precious, precious KDR. Of course, most likely they would blame ECM on this board.

Now you know why a lot of players despise random LRMboats.

[Umbra8]

So, you can sink your tonnage into a weapon system that requires someone else to have some equipment to make it work, hope they aren't spotted while hiding 350m away, hope that they won't lose their tag while the slow-a$$ missiles are in transit, that the target wont move to cover, that the spotter wont get smeared when everyone sees missiles moving in on their ECM bubble, and that AMS and the randomness of missile impacts wont reduce your damage even further or you could just put that tonnage into direct fire weapons instead that do pretty consistent damage regardless of what your compatriots equip. It seems to me the spotter could have just fired a medium laser instead of TAG, run off, and still be more effective than your 2x lrm15's.

All this forced by an opponent that throws on a system for 1.5 tons that requires no heat or crit slots and who doesn't give a damn what his other team members are bringing to the party.

You need to get off the 'LRM's are still viable' bandwagon. The horse pulling it is dead.