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Bap / Tag / Ecm / Sensor Module Etc. How Does It All Buff Out?


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#1 Taizan

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:20 AM

So I've been experimenting a bit with my fresh AWS-8T and decided to have two different missile loadouts. one with SRM6 and one with LRM 10/15s
It sports a TAG and BAP and I could throw in the sensor module as well. Basically I'm trying to find out how this all works out, fooling around a bit with the mech.

Now I am a bit confused by the very general tool tips / descriptions in the game.
  • Behaviour of BAP on ECM-ed target:

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    The Beagle Active Probe is of no use in extending this range.
    It takes twice as long to achieve a missile lock against a hidden Mech.


    In the description of BAP is written:
    "Increases sensor range, speeds up targeting data and can detect shut down mechs at close range."

    Q:
    BAP sensor range is diminished on a ECM-ed target, but does the targeting data somehow decrease the doubled lock time? How much is BAPs general increase in targeting speed?
    Also - what exactly is a "hidden mech"?
    Is it the ECM carrier itself or everyone in the bubble of the carrier, although they have been revealed and are targetable? It seems to me that mechs can be hidden and revealed at the same time.
  • Behaviour of TAG:

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    Your TAG laser can still fire but provides no bonuses. (when inside disrupt bubble)

    If you are not being disrupted by an enemy ECM, any hidden Mech on the other team that you hit with a TAG laser will be revealed as if it wasn’t being hidden. This allows you and your teammates to target and lock on it for as long as you can keep the TAG beam trained on it.


    In the description of TAG is written:
    "Accelerates missile lock, keeps lock longer, and increases missile accuracy. Must be held on target."

    Qs:
    Does TAG decrease the missile lock time that is doubled on a "hidden enemy target? If so by how much? Also on a non ECM-ed target does TAG stack with the bonus from BAP? Is the "keep lock longer" time reduced by ECM? Does TAG stack with Artemis for accuracy on detected mechs/does it stack at all?
  • Behaviour of the Sensor Range Module:


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    Enemy Mechs will have to come within 1/4 the normal distance (200 m instead of 800 m, by default) for hidden Mechs to show up on their battlegrid and HUD.
    The Beagle Active Probe is of no use in extending this range.


    In the description of sensor range module is written:
    "Boosts sensor range by 15%"

    Q:
    Nothing is mentioned on the sensor range module (in the Guardian ECM suite post), which extends sensor range by 15%. Does this mean that "hidden mechs" would show up at 230m with the sensor module, assuming I am not being disrupted? Of is it even 800m +15% - 600m by ECM which would still mean 320m?
    Also does the sensor module range increase stack with the BAP range increase (only thing I could find on that is from Sarna.net " It has a detection range of four hexes (120m)." but I think that is only regarding the shutdown mechs.
So - lots of confusion, mostly to due to the inaccurate descriptions.

Please keep in mind that I'm only trying to see how these systems work in combination, not looking for build improvements etc. Also this is not a discussion if ECM is OP or not.

Edited by Taizan, 12 December 2012 - 03:33 AM.


#2 Taizan

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:17 AM

No spreadsheet pilots know anything on this? Come on now, hit me with the numbers!

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:32 PM

reviving the topic because i'm also curious about how the sensor module affects ecm, if at all

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:34 PM

Imagine paper, scissors, rocks with rocks beating everything. ECM is rock.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:34 PM

View PostDocBach, on 29 December 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Imagine paper, scissors, rocks with rocks beating everything. ECM is rock.


Its too bad we don't have some kind of sandbox to test stuff like this. I am really curious as to how these things interact with each other.

Up till now I have the impression (aka gut feeling) that sensor range does stack with BAP, but TAG does not stack with BAP when it comes to lock times.





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