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[Vassago Rain]

ShadowThunder77, on 13 January 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

any advice on wether to stay or quit??

Ruined FOREVER.

[Radbane]

ShadowThunder77, on 13 January 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

any advice on wether to stay or quit??

Please quit. I'm getting tired of your trolling posts =(

[ShadowThunder77]

since when is being concerned about balance being a troll??

[StalaggtIKE]

Stay. However overall tactics have been condensed down to one thing: brawling. I suggest you purchase a Craven or brawler build. Paul stated that there hasn't been an increase in ECM usage, thus no problem. So I guess we should prove otherwise.

Edited by StalaggtIKE, 13 January 2013 - 07:27 AM.

[Jesus Box]

ShadowThunder77, on 13 January 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

since when is being concerned about balance being a troll??

Don't ask that, lol. Didn't you know? Trolling is whatever people say it is. They don't even know what it means.

[Thorqemada]

Tolkien, on 13 January 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

I've been practising with my Cicada-3M the last few days and I find it much less powerful than the Craven 3L. Ideally fast mediums would be the predators of lights but currently it usually goes the other way, lol.

Is there a single Mech that not falls prey to the ECM Lights?
A bunch of DDCs with ECM superiority maybe...

Yeah the Craven 3L atm IS! the FOTM choice atm but for a Medium i would take the Cicada all day over the CN9-D and when the Lagshield problematic is fixed once upon a time it will become the Light Hunter.

StalaggtIKE, on 13 January 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

Stay. However overall tactics have been condensed down: brawling. I suggest you purchase a Craven or brawler build. Paul stated that there hasn't been an increase in ECM usage, thus no problem. So I guess we should prove otherwise.

That is why i now pilot a Craven...the problem must become obvious.
In the last NGNG podcast Garth slowly starts to admit that ECM needs to be worked on but they still want more data.

Edited by Thorqemada, 13 January 2013 - 07:32 AM.

[Gaan Cathal]

Thorqemada, on 13 January 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

Is there a single Mech that not falls prey to the ECM Lights?
A bunch of DDCs with ECM superiorty maybe...

Multiple hunchbacks that crossfire on engaged lights can do a nasty, tag+streak builds, any of the old anti-light builds if friendly ECM has the brainpower to press 'J' when appropriate. DDCs are fairly bad choices for the exact reason that prior to ECM an Atlas of most breeds was a poor choice for taking out lights (that is to say, they can't track them and get eaten).

Oh, and actually putting fire on hostile lights while they're engaged with friendly ones, that helps. A lot.

[StalaggtIKE]

Thorqemada, on 13 January 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

In the last NGNG podcast Garth slowly starts to admit that ECM needs to be worked on but they want more data.

Wow he actually admitted to it? Source please?

[ShadowThunder77]

might as well get a Raven 3L since posting dosent seem to go anywhere huh??

[ShadowThunder77]

are my concerns justified??

[Bguk]

Jesus Box, on 13 January 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

Don't ask that, lol. Didn't you know? Trolling is whatever people say it is. They don't even know what it means.

Check out this guys posting history and tell us if this guy isn't a troll. He repeatedly asks the same questions as well as somps his feet when it's not answered within ~half an hour or so. I actually have him on ignore.

[ShadowThunder77]

are my concerns justified??

[Budor]

This thread, handcrafted by a true genius, contains the answer:

http://mwomercs.com/...alance-and-ecm/

[ShadowThunder77]

since my topics are now being ignored i guess im done posting.

[Thorqemada]

Gaan Cathal, on 13 January 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

Multiple hunchbacks that crossfire on engaged lights can do a nasty, tag+streak builds, any of the old anti-light builds if friendly ECM has the brainpower to press 'J' when appropriate. DDCs are fairly bad choices for the exact reason that prior to ECM an Atlas of most breeds was a poor choice for taking out lights (that is to say, they can't track them and get eaten).

Oh, and actually putting fire on hostile lights while they're engaged with friendly ones, that helps. A lot.

Yeah, if i let them Crossfire but with ECM Stealth and Lightspeed i dictate the rules of the engagement and use my intiative to avoid such situations and force them into postions where they cant do so.
As the maps be a little small the Lightspeed is not even fully utilized yet so with bigger maps speed will even make more difference on top of the almost exclusive usage of lagshield unaffected weapons.
Yet, if we do it NGNG style and run the Blob-Deathmatch instead of going for the game modes objectives focussed firepower will win surely.

StalaggtIKE, on 13 January 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

Wow he actually admitted to it? Source please?

Somewhere in the "World according to Garth" part and the live questions - its still vague.
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1729439

ShadowThunder77, on 13 January 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

since my topics are now being ignored i guess im done posting.

You got quite some answers...

Edited by Thorqemada, 13 January 2013 - 09:06 AM.

[Codejack]

Thorqemada, on 13 January 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

Somewhere in the "World according to Garth" part and the live questions - its still vague.
http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__1729439

"I know people want ECM changed, and I understand why, and we are looking at it."

He mentions that the average number of ECM used in 8-mans is between 3 and 4, and considers that OK. But he also said:

"Nearly every group said that BAP should counter ECM... but if BAP countered ECM, why would anyone use ECM?"

Is that not the stupidest comment you've ever heard? Or is he just being disingenous?

Just in case he really is that stupid, the solution is to make BAP only counter ECM inside the bubble!

Edited by Codejack, 13 January 2013 - 11:17 AM.

[Tennex]

Codejack, on 13 January 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

He mentions that the average number of ECM used in 8-mans is between 3 and 4, and considers that OK. But he also said:

only because it is limited by chassis. IF ECM were avaliable on all chassis. it would be a completell different story.

this statement doesn't say anything about the strength of ECM. when the pool contains both ECM and nonECM capable mechs. should be a study on average number of ravens/atlas/cicada/commando to carry ECM versus those that do not. (not including trial mechs) You'll probably get a good >60%

Edited by Tennex, 13 January 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

ShadowThunder77, on 13 January 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

where did the varity and tactics go??

according to the devs OP equipment makes the game more varied

[Codejack]

Tennex, on 13 January 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

only because it is limited by chassis. IF ECM were avaliable on all chassis. it would be a completell different story.

this statement doesn't say anything about the strength of ECM. when the pool contains both ECM and nonECM capable mechs. should be a study on average number of ravens/atlas/cicada/commando to carry ECM versus those that do not. (not including trial mechs) You'll probably get a good >60%

Oh, no, I agree entirely; it's just the fact that the devs think it's OK that almost half of the mechs used in 8-man groups are 1 of 4 variants that makes me think that the game is doomed.

[Jesus Box]

Bguk, on 13 January 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

Check out this guys posting history and tell us if this guy isn't a troll. He repeatedly asks the same questions as well as somps his feet when it's not answered within ~half an hour or so. I actually have him on ignore.

What same questions did I repeatedly ask, exactly? Just sounds like you're spewing BS to me, especially since you claim to have me on ignore yet still quote me.