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[sC4r]

So from my experience (and i believe from most yours too) the ferro fibrous armor is not an option for most mech since no matter what mech you have the endo steel will always outclass the ff and in most case you cant afford to have both of them without sacrificing too many slots that may mount weapons.

So here is the deal
Make the FF armor along with its 12% weight reduction per ton allow player to increase the maximum amount of armor the mech can mount. Total increase would be lets say like this:

(Log(mechtonnage/5))/10

This one would make increase in armor from 5% for 20 tonner to 13% for 100 tonner. It doesnt have to be this formula though .

With this it could be an option... like endo will be better if you want to make a dmg dealer while ff would make you more tanky.

[Corralis]

Honestly, I was under the impression that that was what it did, the tool tip even says 'increases armor by 12% per ton' or something similar to that. Of course it doesn't and it is useless to all but light pilots with plenty of space in their mech's. If it did increase armor by 12% per ton then it would be in all my mech's.

[Wolf Clearwater]

If ferro let you add the 12% to the maximum armor per location it would be much better. 20% might even make it worth taking with the crit slots. Not cannon I know, but right now ferro is pointless.

[Runenstahl]

It's supposed to work the way it does right now. It gives you a little something on TOP of what you get from Endo-Steel IF you have the space for it (which is of course only interesting to a few light mechs).

I would like them to keep it as it is. One thing that should change is that the mechbay needs WAY more and better information about well... EVERYTHING. And for the upgrades they should give out warnings like "If you buy this you will have to pay AGAIN to switch back to normal AND will loose what you just bought."

[Corralis]

Runenstahl, on 28 January 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

I would like them to keep it as it is. One thing that should change is that the mechbay needs WAY more and better information about well... EVERYTHING. And for the upgrades they should give out warnings like "If you buy this you will have to pay AGAIN to switch back to normal AND will loose what you just bought."

Yea but as soon as you make that mistake once you will never make it again.

[Pachar]

I have to agree. FF in it's current iteration is absolutely useless. I can't run it on almost any of my mechs, and Endo Steel is ALWAYS a better choice. If something is never used (or almost never used) then either it should be taken out of the game, or it should be looked at for improvement until it gets to be more in line with other options in the game.

[focuspark]

FF gives you 38 pts of armor per ton as opposed to the 32 pts per ton of standard armor. For this trivial amount you lose 14 critical spaces. It's well known that FF is only useful on the smallest and lightest of mechs and it gives them virtually nothing.

FF is mostly there for cannon, and not for use.

ClanTech FF is a different story, as it'll give 40 pts per ton and only use 7 critical spaces BUT sadly ClanTech isn't available.

[sC4r]

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FF gives you 38 pts of armor per ton as opposed to the 32 pts per ton of standard armor.

it was 35,4 last time i checked not 38

[focuspark]

should be 16 / ton by CBT, but PGI doubled that to 32 / ton.

FF gives 16% boost to 37.12 / ton, but my testing has show it to 38 / ton. I tested a while ago, things have changed.

[Corvus Antaka]

imho having ferro increase total armour by 12% would be perfect to make it as useful as endosteel, but the question is how will this affect game balance?

[focuspark]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 28 January 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

imho having ferro increase total armour by 12% would be perfect to make it as useful as endosteel, but the question is how will this affect game balance?

But it's 16% today and people feel that it sucks... how would 12% be better?

[Theobald Hauser]

Again some truth problems Focuspark ?

FF give a bonus 12%, from 32 to 35.84 per ton. Always did. Even in TT it's 12% for IS FF.

[focuspark]

Like I said, I only tested it once a long time ago. Things may have changed.

[Tesunie]

Amarius, on 28 January 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Again some truth problems Focuspark ?

FF give a bonus 12%, from 32 to 35.84 per ton. Always did. Even in TT it's 12% for IS FF.

Okay. I've been seeing your name all through the forums today and I've stayed silent till now. What is up with you attacking everyone? If the guy said something wrong, simple and politely point out the mistake. Don't keep telling everyone how much of a liar everyone else is. Say your point nicely.

Yes. FF isn't as good as Endo-steel, but it does have uses. I do agree that the mechlab could use to have more information on what options do and what can do what. Reading FF description leads you to think it's got more protection right now, when all it does is make your armor lighter. Lighter armor can lead to more protection per ton which is what the description says even if in a slightly confusing way.

I feel that FF is as it should be. By all accounts we (as average mechwarriors) shouldn't have such ready access to it any way, or any other lostech. It should be a rare find for any of us, and massively expensive. It also gives room for Clan tech to be just that bit better than lostech, as the Clans continued to improve on the tech and the IS just find it or don't even know how to make it.

[Theobald Hauser]

I've got grudge against only two users, not "everyone", and they are Focuspark and CancR.
One has made an habit of bending truth about facts (like sources) to maintain his views, and I can't stand that (for example, does anyone remember a 16% FF bonus ? Even he's own formula make him wrong !).
The other is doing the same but is on top of that insulting me, and it's CancR.

You'll even see if going so thorougly through the forum that I'm not against everything they say, I'm even pointing it out when it's not the case.
But I can't stand lies.
Two errors is human nature. Twelve is evil. Four times the same is on purpose when explained by different people three times where it was literally wrong (not about opinions, about FACTS).

Now if you have a problem with me, perhaps you could have not made it public, I can be pm'ed.

[Corvus Antaka]

focuspark, on 28 January 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

But it's 16% today and people feel that it sucks... how would 12% be better?

It doesnt increase your total armour though, it only lowers the wieght of your armour. That's my point.

[Attalward]

yes it would be a lot better if it increased your total armor.

[DeadlyNerd]

Colonel Pada Vinson, on 28 January 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

It doesnt increase your total armour though, it only lowers the wieght of your armour. That's my point.

Thing is that even if it did increase the armor by 12% it would still be a much worse option than endo. Assaults can't put it in and anything lighter than the ctf gets only a few points of armor on top of what they have.

Ferro would need a significant buff and modification to the TT version to be a option one could consider.
Something like the log function scar posted but in reverse.

[Tesunie]

Amarius, on 28 January 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

I've got grudge against only two users, not "everyone", and they are Focuspark and CancR.
One has made an habit of bending truth about facts (like sources) to maintain his views, and I can't stand that (for example, does anyone remember a 16% FF bonus ? Even he's own formula make him wrong !).
The other is doing the same but is on top of that insulting me, and it's CancR.

You'll even see if going so thorougly through the forum that I'm not against everything they say, I'm even pointing it out when it's not the case.
But I can't stand lies.
Two errors is human nature. Twelve is evil. Four times the same is on purpose when explained by different people three times where it was literally wrong (not about opinions, about FACTS).

Now if you have a problem with me, perhaps you could have not made it public, I can be pm'ed.

I have no problem with you, just your approach to those 2 people apparently. My point is just that you responded so harshly to this guys first comment on this topic when it might have been a simple mistake on his part. Also, by posting in their threads or in threads that they comment in, it feels like you are "trolling" them. I'm not saying what you are saying is wrong, just how you are
doing it doesn't seem right. Also, if you stopped posting in their threads, their threads will get pushed to the bottom of the forums. Correct them nicely and probably move on. As it is, they probably don't really read what you really type and will probably never change their minds about the matter. It's kinda the expression of honey over dung...?

Also, you kinda went to the attack on me, and all I asked was for you to be a little nicer. A pm might have been more appropriate, but then again what you say is out in the public and as far as we can see, you just upped and attached a random post in this topic for no reason. His info might be wrong or as he says out of date. All you had to do was say the correct info.

I'm sorry if I embarrassed you here, and I'll consider pming next time (if my kindle can handle it).

[Theobald Hauser]

I'm in Sc4r's thread, as far as I know.

And stating truth is hardly trolling, I wouldn't write on their threads if they weren't writing false facts. i don't care that their opinions are wrong. I stopped being nice when attacks became personal, I'm no more than neutral with them from this time because that's a line that has not to be crossed.
And I don't care that they are not reading me anymore. Other people haven't earned to be lied to and manipulated for some no-rules popularity contest those two believe "Suggestion" is.
No false facts. That's all.
That's my job, too, by the way.

I don't see where I got on the attack, I was neutral too. As I read it again, I just stated that I only had problems with two people where you said "everyone". I wasn't even upset when typing it. And I'm not embarrassed either.

And if I jumped on him, it's because he knows that it was always 12%. And yet he tries slithering away. He make this every time he's proven wrong by more than two people.

Edited by Amarius, 28 January 2013 - 03:38 PM.