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[Orzorn]

Mackman, on 21 February 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

In a game like MWO, DPS (damage per second) is one of the most important stats in the game. And since you have to aim, being able to place that damage is also extremely important.

In your proposed system, an AC/5 would only do 5 damage every ten seconds, divided into who knows how many shots: We'll say 5 (thus turning it into the worst weapon in the game). An AC/10 only does 10 damage every ten seconds, divided into 3-4 shots. Meanwhile, an AC/20 still does a whopping 20 damage every ten seconds, divided into only two shots apiece.

Do you see the problem?

I see the problem is that you just made the assumption that an AC/20 would have been required to fire only two shots.

The number of shots could have been altered at any point. 4 shots of 5. 10 shots of 2. Any number to make the difficulty of use similar to the other autocannons.

Of which I'm sure that system still comes with problems of its own.

Edited by Orzorn, 21 February 2013 - 10:34 AM.

[verybad]

Orzorn, on 21 February 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

I see the problem is that you just made the assumption that an AC/20 would have been required to fire only two shots.

The number of shots could have been altered at any point. 4 shots of 5. 10 shots of 2. Any number to make the difficulty of use similar to the other autocannons.

Then it's a short ranged weapon that doesn't do concentrated damage. No problems there.

[Mackman]

Orzorn, on 21 February 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

I see the problem is that you just made the assumption that an AC/20 would have been required to fire only two shots.

The number of shots could have been altered at any point. 4 shots of 5. 10 shots of 2. Any number to make the difficulty of use similar to the other autocannons.

Of which I'm sure that system still comes with problems of its own.

I was working with the assumptions the OP was working with. He seemed to be claiming that such a change would be a simple and effective balancing mechanism, and I was demonstrating that that was not the case.

But you... you're just changing things for the sake of changing things. Your change would make an enormous difference in the game, and all weapons would literally need to be reworked from the ground up to account for it.

EDIT: Also, this would have the opposite effect. The AC/20 would turn into an extremely​ heavy, inaccurate, short-ranged AC-2.

Edited by Mackman, 21 February 2013 - 10:40 AM.

[Carrion Hound]

So, what I've gleaned from this is this: X does not work because of Y and Y is this and X is tabletop.

Ever think of the gunnery values of the pilots in the mechs? Probably not. The current damage/Heat is pretty fine in my opinion. (Which is quite worthless in a sea of worthless opinions). I've seen people decked in awsome mech fits who can't shoot to save thier life. (Myself included in the late hours of the evening) And I've seen people with absolutely awful fits shoot on target perfectly.

Last of all, screw table top, I played it myself, it was great it was fun. This is a different bag of hammers alltogether. Just play, enjoy, or whine (Like most people), and try to have some fun. Having a human player, that is not controlled entirely by a hex grid or random probability of X number of dice makes anything and everything revolving around TT law worth about as much as a wet fart. NOTHING.

[Orzorn]

Mackman, on 21 February 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

I was working with the assumptions the OP was working with. He seemed to be claiming that such a change would be a simple and effective balancing mechanism, and I was demonstrating that that was not the case.

But you... you're just changing things for the sake of changing things. Your change would make an enormous difference in the game, and all weapons would literally need to be reworked from the ground up to account for it.

I never once claimed I wanted this system, only that it was an alternative. In my first post in this thread I said we were too far to change.

Every system has its issues. I understand that very well.

Edited by Orzorn, 21 February 2013 - 10:44 AM.