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[Lord of All]

OK, My search has come up with this.

http://mwomercs.com/...ers-132-beta-6/

Is the AMD Catalyst™ 13.2 Beta Driver The current driver of choice?
http://support.amd.c...BetaDriver.aspx

It sure sounds like it with the Dx9 fixes.

Also And it has nothing to do with the game but if someone knows it would be helpful.

When running Nvidia/Ati hybrid system should there be any incompatabilities or issues I should know of in order to avoid? Can I run both the Nvidia control panel and the ATI Control center without issues?

I'd like to find this info out before I install the 7870 and then find out there are issues.

[RoriBeedm]

ATI Video cards work best with AMD based processors, Nvidia work best with Intel. A friend made the mistake of installing an Nvidia in an AMD system and it cause no end of graphical problems for him to the point that gaming was nearly impossible. Admittedly this was about 7 years ago so things may have changed, but my personal opinion is never mix ATI/AMD and Nvidia/Intel hardware in the same system.

[Lord of All]

RoriBeedm, on 22 February 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

ATI Video cards work best with AMD based processors, Nvidia work best with Intel. A friend made the mistake of installing an Nvidia in an AMD system and it cause no end of graphical problems for him to the point that gaming was nearly impossible. Admittedly this was about 7 years ago so things may have changed, but my personal opinion is never mix ATI/AMD and Nvidia/Intel hardware in the same system.

Thanks but not what I asked. I've been building systems since 1987 but haven't dealt with the new cards in the last few years. I've got a CE and EE.

[Catamount]

RoriBeedm, on 22 February 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

ATI Video cards work best with AMD based processors, Nvidia work best with Intel. A friend made the mistake of installing an Nvidia in an AMD system and it cause no end of graphical problems for him to the point that gaming was nearly impossible. Admittedly this was about 7 years ago so things may have changed, but my personal opinion is never mix ATI/AMD and Nvidia/Intel hardware in the same system.

I can't comment on the state of things 7 years ago, but this definitely not the case today. The company of your hardware makes no difference, since they're all interchangeable within company-agnostic standards that they all abide by.

I'm presently running a 7970 with a 3570k, which is a very popular setup.

Lord of All, on 22 February 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

OK, My search has come up with this.

http://mwomercs.com/...ers-132-beta-6/

Is the AMD Catalyst™ 13.2 Beta Driver The current driver of choice?
http://support.amd.c...BetaDriver.aspx

It sure sounds like it with the Dx9 fixes.

Also And it has nothing to do with the game but if someone knows it would be helpful.

When running Nvidia/Ati hybrid system should there be any incompatabilities or issues I should know of in order to avoid? Can I run both the Nvidia control panel and the ATI Control center without issues?

I'd like to find this info out before I install the 7870 and then find out there are issues.

I'm personally loving it, but that's because I'm going through Skyrim at the moment, which is one of the titles given a lot of attention in this release. The game has definitely gotten a lot smoother. I'd say go for it; it's not as if there's a downside to it. I haven't had a single problem with the new beta driver, nor have I heard of any.

[Bad Karma 308]

RoriBeedm, on 22 February 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

ATI Video cards work best with AMD based processors, Nvidia work best with Intel. A friend made the mistake of installing an Nvidia in an AMD system and it cause no end of graphical problems for him to the point that gaming was nearly impossible. Admittedly this was about 7 years ago so things may have changed, but my personal opinion is never mix ATI/AMD and Nvidia/Intel hardware in the same system.

What Cat said.

But to counter the Myth that you're following,

About 10+ years back there was a lawsuit between Intel and AMD on Intel's x86 & x64 code optimization program. AMD had to use the program as it was part of the terms of usage with X86 and most of the instruction sets they license from Intel. AMD proved the program was written to favor Intel processors (go figure, Intel wrote it). Intel counter sued AMD based on preferential GPU coding. So the lawsuits ended preferential treatment and the program(s) were re-written. However, the lawsuit had far wider ramifications to the PC industry. Now, what ever component you connect to your PC can no longer be given any preferential treatment based on manufacturer even if they are all made by the same one.

The caveat to this is the newer SoC (System on a chip) designs, which dictate what components it is willing to work with and how they will be controlled. But that a story best left for another thread.....

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 22 February 2013 - 02:39 PM.

[Lord of All]

THX guys works great BTW loving this 7870XT. Does this game use Physx? I'll have to hack my 2nd gpu for it if it does.

ATI and Nvidia Drivers and control panels both working perfect on multi monitor setup.

[Bad Karma 308]

Lord of All, on 22 February 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

THX guys works great BTW loving this 7870XT. Does this game use Physx? I'll have to hack my 2nd gpu for it if it does.

ATI and Nvidia Drivers and control panels both working perfect on multi monitor setup.

The engine has it's own physics model built in. If it did run PhysicsX it wouldn't be fair to users of AMD based cards. Basically what you see with your Nvidia card and what another player running an AMD card would be completely different in game.

Imagine if your hiding behind a piece of overturned building or mech chassis and you had AMD, The enemy running an Nvidia card can blast away the item thanks to PhysicsX, but because your card doesn't have it you still think that you are protected by that item, when you're not.

So it just wouldn't be fair to the no-user.

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 22 February 2013 - 04:02 PM.

[Havok1978]

i believe its using havok physics
im running a 7850 myself on a amd fx6300 at 4.95ghz

also while it is true that any hardware will work together, it doesnt mean it does it optimumly <sp?>
having your certs tho im sure your already aware of this

Edited by Havok1978, 22 February 2013 - 04:10 PM.

[Bad Karma 308]

Havok1978, on 22 February 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

i believe its using havok physics

Ageia physX used to make hardware based physics processing cards, but was bought out by Nvidia. The code was then incorperated into its GPU hardware and drivers. There is quite a bit of evidence that Agaia's design wound up being used for the basis of Nvidia's Cuda architecture.

Havok FX was working with ATI for inclusion on their GPUs. However, around 2007 Intel bought out Havok FX and subsequently shelved it for a time before licensing it to Microsoft for inclusion in DX11. DX11 inclusion negated the need for specialized code from each manufacturer and turned it into a much easier to use and call API.

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 22 February 2013 - 04:27 PM.

[Havok1978]

so, i guess your agreeing with me then? and yes im fully aware of the shader cards, had one.. <fail>
just fyi i dont need a lecture, i work with 3d art models and textures

Edited by Havok1978, 22 February 2013 - 04:44 PM.

[Bad Karma 308]

no, not lecturing, if I did, I didn't mean to come off that way.

But a lot of people on here will see something like "physixs X used in game" and then start posting in every venue they can about how great or how horrible it is that PGI is using it in MWO. It is just easier to give a little background to the others who might stumble upon this thread than to have to quash the deafening roar of idiotic masses later on.

[Havok1978]

LoL true nuff! people frequently confuse physic engines with graphics engines especially when it comes to collision mesh errors and the like.

[Bad Karma 308]

Yeah, my mind immediately envisioned reams of threads stating : "OMG using Havok is why PGI can't get collisions & knock downs to work! " and "Let's start a poll to convince them to switch!" lol

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 22 February 2013 - 05:11 PM.

[Havok1978]

everyone uses me =(

[Thorqemada]

The Catalyst 13.2 Beta 6 Driver runs great.

Also, if a game uses PhysX you can install the PhysX Driver from the Nvidia HP and it runs on the CPU instead of the Radeon.

[Lord of All]

Bad Karma 308, on 22 February 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Ageia physX used to make hardware based physics processing cards, but was bought out by Nvidia. The code was then incorperated into its GPU hardware and drivers. There is quite a bit of evidence that Agaia's design wound up being used for the basis of Nvidia's Cuda architecture.

Havok FX was working with ATI for inclusion on their GPUs. However, around 2007 Intel bought out Havok FX and subsequently shelved it for a time before licensing it to Microsoft for inclusion in DX11. DX11 inclusion negated the need for specialized code from each manufacturer and turned it into a much easier to use and call API.

IIRC AMD added Havok into Opencl. I may be wrong it's been a few years since I was following that tech.

So everything maxed out I'm running 59-60fps and dropping just below 40 at points. Is that correct for the Tahiti LE? I have to upgrade to 16gig next didn't know 8 was low these days.

BTW the 7870XT is already sold out and discontinued (Restock/Reque and Price increase?)

[Catamount]

The 7870Xt is still around; I think the massive popularity of the card (due to absolutely absurd value) is just causing shortages, particularly on the Powercolor Myst Edition

Still, other brands are around in other stors
http://www.amazon.co...+7870+tahiti+le

It is true though that a number of stores are out and posting the products as "discontinued", although its my experience that that can often just mean they don't know when further shipments will come in.


Oh, and yeah that sounds fine for performance. More than likely the card is always capable of giving you 60fps at max settings without much trouble, and its your CPU dragging you down into the 40 range. Even my 3570k gets down to 45 or so when there's a lot of action going on around me. Even if I turn the game down to the lowest settings and 1024x768 it gets down into the 40s, as I showed in another thread (its just that the maximums go up into the hundreds).

Also, 8GB is more than enough. In fact, right now 4GB is still more than enough, since MWO will stay comfortably under 2 (over which it would crash). Even on my 3570k and 7970 I don't run more than 4GB; I would have gotten an 8GB kit had I built everything new, but the 4GB kit was just yanked out of the old system and stuck into this one.

Edited by Catamount, 23 February 2013 - 10:34 AM.

[Lord of All]

Catamount, on 23 February 2013 - 10:24 AM, said:

The 7870Xt is still around; I think the massive popularity of the card (due to absolutely absurd value) is just causing shortages, particularly on the Powercolor Myst Edition

Still, other brands are around in other stors
http://www.amazon.co...+7870+tahiti+le

It is true though that a number of stores are out and posting the products as &quot;discontinued&quot;, although its my experience that that can often just mean they don't know when further shipments will come in.


Oh, and yeah that sounds fine for performance. More than likely the card is always capable of giving you 60fps at max settings without much trouble, and its your CPU dragging you down into the 40 range. Even my 3570k gets down to 45 or so when there's a lot of action going on around me. Even if I turn the game down to the lowest settings and 1024x768 it gets down into the 40s, as I showed in another thread (its just that the maximums go up into the hundreds).

Also, 8GB is more than enough. In fact, right now 4GB is still more than enough, since MWO will stay comfortably under 2 (over which it would crash). Even on my 3570k and 7970 I don't run more than 4GB; I would have gotten an 8GB kit had I built everything new, but the 4GB kit was just yanked out of the old system and stuck into this one.

Thx man, looks like it's OC time.

[F lan Ker]

S!

The current 13.2 Beta 6 also contains the first fixes to the core code of Catalyst drivers. The bug caused "lag spikes" in rendering thus stuttering. With the code being re-written the problems seem to get less and game play is smoother due more consistent FPS. I use 13.2 Beta 6 and happy with them.

[Havok1978]

4 gigs isnt enuff, 8 is ideal tho more cant hurt, but will be largely wasted past 10gigs except for certain cases.

4gigs is the LAA limit true, but then other resources eat into that aswell, windows,virus scanners etc, everything takes a byte. <punny i know>
to figure out your target ram needs first look at your computer with everything running that you normally want, sound etc.. thats your baseline. then add 4 gigs to that and maybe a little for growth. 8 to 12 gigs is ideal for a gaming rig,

the offloading of physix shading to CPU is true and is pretty popular though you wont actually use it as often as you would think. mainly its just for augmenting shaders and its not always good. at times the occlusions can actually mishade things and make it look yucky while dragging down cpu performance.. largely physix has been outdated and is now more of a glorified shading feature...

im running 13.1 catalyst drivers on my 7850 at full settings and get 60fps constant.
my rig is OC'ed completely to some insane levels.
I have an AMD FX6300 using intel xmp ram.
took about a week to overclock and stabilize. be advised that running burn in software can damage your computer and is not accurate representation of gaming. gaming is not nearly as stressful on your rig as you would think.

oh and i once heard, without a screenshot it didnt happen.. so heres a CPU-Z of my beast.