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[Death Mallet]

The Problem:

LRMs never got "fixed". The problem with LRMs was only covered up by the dominance of ECM on the battlefield. Well, ECM is about to take a big hit. . . and once again the LRM boats will reap a deadly toll on everything else.

How We Got Here:

On the Feb 8 patch the heat fixes to the PPC allowed it to make a triumphant return to the battlefield. Its in widespread use again now.

On Feb 19, PPCs will now shut down ECM. Which means, AS7-D-DCs will largely become obsolete. They'll be hit with enough PPC fire that their ECM will be negated most of the time.

This leaves only the light mechs to carry the effective ECM systems.

What's Going to Happen on Feb 19:

- LRM boats are going to come back in a big way. If you're driving a heavy or assault mech, you will no longer have effective ECM cover once the PPCs start flying and, once again, you will start getting anihilated by massed LRM volleys.

- Premades will dominate PUG players more than they do now. Why? Because only the light mechs will have effective ECM due to it being harder to hit them with PPCs. On smart premade teams, the light mech drivers will be assigned to hang back and cover the heavies and assaults with their ECM. On pug teams the light mech players will charge out as they do today, leaving the heavies and assaults to get slaughtered by LRMs.

- AS7-D-DCs will gradually disappear from the battlefield. The game will come to be dominated by light mechs toting PPCs and LRM boats - probably Stalkers. Other mech types need not apply.

What can be done to fix the coming LRM apocalypse?

- Nerf LRM damage
- Increase non-ECM LRM lockon time
- Reduce LRM accuracy
- Reduce ammo/ton for LRMs
- Fix the double heat sink issue so its not biased in favor of light mechs.
http://mwomercs.com/...simplification/

. . . or all of the above.

Edited by Death Mallet, 14 February 2013 - 09:30 AM.

[Raalic]

Good thing I have a 4 LRM15 Stalker for lols.

[SI The Joker]

Could we please let them implement this first?

[Kooler]

Are they removing the cover of hills and rocks? ....No ok your freakout problem is solved. Learn different tactics and adapt

[Felicitatem Parco]

I am *almost* at my 10th death by LRMs since I started playing in June... so I can still count the times on my fingers when I was killed by LRMs.

Hills are OP, use them while you can before they release a BulldozerMech that can nerf hills. (Oh, and don't trundle your Atlas across open Terrain without AMS, + the AMS of your Escort, all working in unison). Since all Mechs (except a couple spiders) can mount AMS, I suggest you get back into that grove.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 14 February 2013 - 09:32 AM.

[Tennex]

Buff the AMS.

but make AMS activated, with a cool down. "Activate AMS!!!" - MW4 intro.


adds skill to avoiding LRMs. instead of sit there and get ****** mentality. now its press button for shield timing (like in a fighting game where you have to time your blocks).


a skilled player will be able to activate AMS in time to block a good amount of damage. but still has to find optimal timing, because AMS will go on cooldown.

Edited by Tennex, 14 February 2013 - 09:38 AM.

[Death Mallet]

Kooler, on 14 February 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

Are they removing the cover of hills and rocks? ....No ok your freakout problem is solved. Learn different tactics and adapt

We had hills and rocks before. LRMs were a problem before.

Glad you posted this because I'll be sure and bring this thread back up a couple days after the next patch.

[Particle Man]

your tears are delicious!

buy an AMS and stay behind things.

[Trauglodyte]

Death Mallet, on 14 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

The Problem:

LRMs never got "fixed". The problem with LRMs was only covered up by the dominance of ECM on the battlefield. Well, ECM is about to take a big hit. . . and once again the LRM boats will reap a deadly toll on everything else.

How We Got Here:

On the Feb 8 patch the heat fixes to the PPC allowed it to make a triumphant return to the battlefield. Its in widespread use again now.

On Feb 19, PPCs will now shut down ECM. Which means, AS7-D-DCs will largely become obsolete. They'll be hit with enough PPC fire that their ECM will be negated most of the time.

This leaves only the light mechs to carry the effective ECM systems.

What's Going to Happen on Feb 19:

- LRM boats are going to come back in a big way. If you're driving a heavy or assault mech, you will no longer have effective ECM cover once the PPCs start flying and, once again, you will start getting anihilated by massed LRM volleys.

- Premades will dominate PUG players more than they do now. Why? Because only the light mechs will have effective ECM due to it being harder to hit them with PPCs. On smart premade teams, the light mech drivers will be assigned to hang back and cover the heavies and assaults with their ECM. On pug teams the light mech players will charge out as they do today, leaving the heavies and assaults to get slaughtered by LRMs.

- AS7-D-DCs will gradually disappear from the battlefield. The game will come to be dominated by light mechs toting PPCs and LRM boats - probably Stalkers. Other mech types need not apply.

What can be done to fix the coming LRM apocalypse?

- Nerf LRM damage
- Increase non-ECM LRM lockon time
- Reduce LRM accuracy
- Reduce ammo/ton for LRMs
- Fix the double heat sink issue so its not biased in favor of light mechs.
http://mwomercs.com/...simplification/

. . . or all of the above.

Sadly, you are very very wrong. And this is why you're wrong:

- If your team is smart and have multiple ECM mechs, the PPC will knock out one mech's ECM but it will still benefit from the other mech's ECM. Therefor, you're still screwed with LRMs.

The end.

[Whompity]

You should always use cover. Light mech, Medium Mech, Heavy Mech, Assault Mech, Ice Cream Truck, Bicycle... if you have to go out in the open, cross that deathtrap as quick as possible to get to more cover.

[Kousagi]

Its a good thing my LRM stalker right now is pretty kick arse mech in its own right, even with a ECM heavy battle. With PPC's killing ECM, I'll have that much more time for my LRM's to kill people, though at the same time it will not change too much. As any LRM boat right now worth anything has tag, and uses line of sight to fire. The indirect LRM's will still be kinda SOL at times unless the PPC user can get the PPC effect running.

[Havyek]

On the Feb 19th patch they are also removing AMS and hills, mountains and buildings. Also the minimum range for LRMs will be removed and all direct fire weapons will shoot nothing but marshmellows and kittens.


Brace yourselves for the LRMs!

[Lee Ving]

All of this is only true on the presumption that DDC pilots do not act like Command and Control by aiming to stay out of sight, out of mind. If I'm behind a building, good luck hitting me with a PPC without opening yourself up like a can between my 3 six packs and AC/20.

I agree, pugs will suffer, but war, war never changes.

[Bilbo]

I didn't have that much trouble with them before ECM came out, with exception of that period when LRMs were headhunting. Cover is there for a reason.

[Felicitatem Parco]

BDU Havoc, on 14 February 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

Also the minimum range for LRMs will be removed...

pssst, Clans aren't here yet...

... but when they arrive... your joke will be no longer a joke...

[Xendojo]

Preemptive strike ranting?

come on dude....

My HBK-4J with 2xLRM15(5 tons ammo)has been effective all through the ECM debacle. And will continue to be as long as people choose to fight out in the open, where my TAG can find them.

God what a hater to be complaining before it even happens. Your speculation does not equal fact.

[Weaselball]

PPC's are only going to shut down 1 mech's ECM, and only if that mech is dumb enough to be standing way out in the open where he/she can be sniped continuously by PPC fire.

If there is another ECM mech behind it (let's say 2 D-DC's), then guess what? D-DC #2 still protects D-DC #1, AND the group, with its still functional ECM.

Also, I've played matches where our team has had no ECM coverage, and the enemy team had LRM's, and I've won. You just need to adapt your play style. Stick in cover. Focus those light mechs that peek around the corners to get locks for their buddies. Then once all their brawlers are dead move in, using cover, for the kill. It's not terribly hard, even on Caustic Valley, if you have a plan of action and play smart.

[Havyek]

Prosperity Park, on 14 February 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

pssst, Clans aren't here yet...

... but when they arrive... your joke will be no longer a joke...

Clan direct fire weapons shoot kittens?


I need to re-read Sarna. . . . .

Edited by BDU Havoc, 14 February 2013 - 09:39 AM.

[NRP]

I didn't realize LRMs went anywhere. Most matches now are just LRM barrage after LRM barrage. I think it's because the new End of Round screen ranks results by damage done, so every moron out there is slinging LRMs for max damage. I doubt whatever they do next Tuesday will change much.

[Kommisar]

In PUG matches, LRMs are already making a resurgence. There has been a LOT less ECM on the field in the last month. Probably because a lot of guys got bored running the same mech every round combined with the great culling of the Raven 3L that netcode enabled.

I have been killed by LRM fire more than 10 times. LOL I'm not calling doomsday either. I'm middle ground and am going to wait and see how this all plays out.