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[Oppresor]

I have just come out of a Conquest mission where I saw a Spider actively hunting Jenner's. He or she only had one weapon, an ER PPC. The spider wasn't necessarily faster than the Jenner, but by making really effective use of it's jump jets it was often in a great position to get the all important shots in. infact, it was being used in the same way that I have pictured using the Flea.

[Vulix]

I found you have to sacrifice too much to get a PPC. That spider would be destroyed by any light mech worth it's salt

[JP Josh]

Vulix, on 22 February 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

I found you have to sacrifice too much to get a PPC. That spider would be destroyed by any light mech worth it's salt

didnt vote but a amazingly skilled player could use the erppc at distance and at point blank effective. i did with a commando once and found it to be a hard hitting snipper weapon of harrassment that forced the bigger mechs to either
(A) chase me
( play pecaboo with me and then get butchered by my big mechs coming around the corner behind them.
(C) a very effective team support weapon that entanginizes lights to chase you around a corner to say hello to your buddy atlas

please note the erppc on a light mech isnt to be trifled with but in order for it to be fully used the scout needs to communicate with his team constently. most people dont assume a erppc on a light mech when it first hits them their lookin for a bigger mech not at the little commando..... untill he shoots the head in wich case they tent to charge stupidly to their deaths.

[Carrioncrows]

I love the spider, absolutely LOVE it.

But all the love in the world doesn't magically make this into anything other than a POS.

[Gigastrike]

The Spider as a light mech hunter? Not in any way. If you want to hunt lights, you have to either outclass them (but still be able to keep up) or focus on streak missiles. The Spider can do neither.

The Spider has always been a heavy mech harasser/ sniper, and I don't see how a Spider with only an ERPPC can do anything other than that.

[Goose]

The Spider is the only thing in the game with so few weapons ports, one would stick on a Beagle and go scouting.

[One Medic Army]

I can say after playing my Jenner F all day: no.
No I have never seen a spider that could outfight a Jenner of equal skill, they just have fewer weapons points, which means the Jenner gets more close range damage.
Hitting a light mech at range is difficult if the light knows what he's doing.
Jenner also has Jumpjets (though fewer) and gets more armor.

[MacKerris]

lol,

The build also often has a ML and definitely can take out Jenners and other lights. I have to admit that it works better against larger slower mechs as you can strafe them or circle. With Jenners all you have to do is get on their tail and not let go. which is exactly how lights work best.

[Sleepy Head]

Jenners would never let themselves be humiliated by a silly mech.

[HolyOne4245]

The spider is simply a Kleenex box atop of legs, begging to be "streaked" to death.

[Craftyman]

MacKerris, on 22 February 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

lol,

The build also often has a ML and definitely can take out Jenners and other lights. I have to admit that it works better against larger slower mechs as you can strafe them or circle. With Jenners all you have to do is get on their tail and not let go. which is exactly how lights work best.

Not always possible unfortunately. The spider will never outclass a jenner of equal skill. It's just not made for that role. Currently the spider has a bit of an identity crisis because it doesn't do much damage but scouting mechs out is of marginal significance.

The spider cannot go faster than a jenner, it has no inherent agility advantage over the jenner aside from extra jump jets and is outgunned and out armored by a jenner. The only two things it has is it's ECM (which the Raven-3L plays much better than the spider as a Fast attack-type ECM mech) and its jump jets which are fairly negligable in a light fight.

[mekabuser]

I love the poll results.. It makes the lack of respect shown to the dual ppc osiris in mwll look like fanboism.
All the better for me.
I probably have close to 20 screens topping the leaderboard in my spider.. Had a 5 kill 400 dmg game the other day.
Im not even good in it yet.

Now as far as actively hunting jenners.. well there are a million different variables in that equation. I wouldnt recommend it, but if I was dropping with a team, i could certainly see taking that role.
I havent tried it yet, but i suspect the trenchbucket in the hands of a good spider pilot would be mucho scary.

[Runesword]

spider's taste like chicken

[Gamgee]

Seen a pilot do that, just avoid slow projectiles. Wait until they are out of fuel, shoot them. Pew, gone.

[One Medic Army]

mekabuser, on 22 February 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I havent tried it yet, but i suspect the trenchbucket in the hands of a good spider pilot would be mucho scary.

You would be correct.
Scariest mech I've encountered in my Jenners is a 7M with an XL325 engine, full jumps, and a competent pilot.
Top speed 115kph, same jump ability as a Jenner, more armor, better weaponry, and fully articulated arms.

One of those on your tail is a real nightmare to shake.

[Oppresor]

mekabuser, on 22 February 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I love the poll results.. It makes the lack of respect shown to the dual ppc osiris in mwll look like fanboism.
All the better for me.
I probably have close to 20 screens topping the leaderboard in my spider.. Had a 5 kill 400 dmg game the other day.
Im not even good in it yet.

Now as far as actively hunting jenners.. well there are a million different variables in that equation. I wouldnt recommend it, but if I was dropping with a team, i could certainly see taking that role.
I havent tried it yet, but i suspect the trenchbucket in the hands of a good spider pilot would be mucho scary.

Keep the faith Mekabuser; I can confirm that that Spider was all over the Jenner, the main advantage from what I saw, was the jump jets and the hitting power of the ERPPC. The Jenner pilot was good and tried stuff that I can only dream of in my Atlas.

What I saw in that mission completely changed my view of the Spider. I had originally seen the Spider as a form of Owens (But more aggressive), now I am 100% convinced that it is a hunter killer; especially with the hitting power of the PPC let alone the ERPPC.

[Carrioncrows]

mekabuser, on 22 February 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I love the poll results.. It makes the lack of respect shown to the dual ppc osiris in mwll look like fanboism.
All the better for me.
I probably have close to 20 screens topping the leaderboard in my spider.. Had a 5 kill 400 dmg game the other day.
Im not even good in it yet.

Now as far as actively hunting jenners.. well there are a million different variables in that equation. I wouldnt recommend it, but if I was dropping with a team, i could certainly see taking that role.
I havent tried it yet, but i suspect the trenchbucket in the hands of a good spider pilot would be mucho scary.

Good games against bad players does the average not make.

I've had games where i've dominated everyone with 2 medium lasers, headed shot'd other lights and killed an atlas by jumping so high in the air I could make a orbital kinetic strike on him.


(kinetic strike not included)

But you die all the same when you run into Raven-3L.

The spider is like the current MG fix we have, technically yes it does something and in extremely rare situations it might even be helpful, but honestly just take something else and kill the target outright and stop the foolishness.

Edited by Carrioncrows, 23 February 2013 - 03:19 PM.

[Not A Real RAbbi]

There will always be anecdotes to the contrary, but overall I think that the Jenner is the #2 light next to the Raven 3L (other Raven variants are roughly on-par with the Commando), and the Spider is the bottom-tier light overall. It's FAST, it can JUMP, but it carries little in the way of armament. Let's face it, if there was an ECM-equipped Jenner, there'd be practically no other lights in the game right now. Having 4-6 energy hard points, and in 2/3 variants also a missile point or two, along with its tiny hitboxes and top-of-the-field speed, the Jenner is just too much for even the similarly-speedy Spider to handle--JR7's will always outgun SDR's, all else being equal. Hunter/hunted? It comes down to the Spider driver being either better or luckier than his Jenner target. Probably both...

[Team Leader]

In the wild, there are no Jenners left to hunt. An invasive species called the "Three-el" has claimed nearly all their territory. Hunters equipped with advanced lag shield breaking technology have driven their dwindling numbers further to near extinction.

[Varaxus]

Oppresor, on 22 February 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

I have just come out of a Conquest mission where I saw a Spider actively hunting Jenner's. He or she only had one weapon, an ER PPC. The spider wasn't necessarily faster than the Jenner, but by making really effective use of it's jump jets it was often in a great position to get the all important shots in. infact, it was being used in the same way that I have pictured using the Flea.

Thats cause jenner suck now as do spiders. If your not in a 3L your playing a light badly. A few commandos sometimes win but in an equal skill match the 3L is going to beat all other lights 95% of the time

mekabuser, on 22 February 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I love the poll results.. It makes the lack of respect shown to the dual ppc osiris in mwll look like fanboism.
All the better for me.
I probably have close to 20 screens topping the leaderboard in my spider.. Had a 5 kill 400 dmg game the other day.
Im not even good in it yet.

Now as far as actively hunting jenners.. well there are a million different variables in that equation. I wouldnt recommend it, but if I was dropping with a team, i could certainly see taking that role.
I havent tried it yet, but i suspect the trenchbucket in the hands of a good spider pilot would be mucho scary.

If you only did 400 damage and ogt 5 kills then you were cherry picking the hard work your team mates did to those mechs