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[SteelRat]

So after a few days of this new matchmaker, I am not all that impressed. But this post isn't about the good and bad of the matchmaker, my question is, whats the point? Why is PGI putting all this effort into creating a system, that in the long term is pointless, unless this combat engine demo mode is the only thing MWO will ever be.

IF we do get some sort of planetary, CW mode, ELO matchmaking is going to be part of that? Your fighting for a planet, since when is war fair? Weight should be the only limiting factors in those types of fights. But that discussion can take place when/if we get CW.

To further my question, why isn't more time being spent creating something that is more useful and more engaging, like Solaris? Instead, we have a combat engine, which is nice and all, but extremely limited. You collect mechs and stats. I mean I love killing mechs and all but like I have said before, wheres the meat and potatoes? Wheres the bigger game?

Is this your vision of what MWO should be PGI? I sure hope not, its a real waste of the MW name.

[ferluci]

Matchmaking is bad very very bad, no weight class consideration makes for very very unfair matches, the abundance of raven 3L in a match this weekend makes it boring. If it where up to me roll back to the old weigh class match ups that way we know the teams are fair in weight, this whole ELO is the worst idea ever.

For example a match with 400 weight difference is hard to fight(been in the receiving end of that kind of matches), an all light group of 5 raven 3l and commando 2d versus a medium and heavy group guess who dies?.

Well i LOVE this game but this new matchmaking takes the fun and equality out of this game. balance is hard to find now.

Flame me blame me for my two cents worth

and always remember friendly fire isn't.

Edited by ferluci, 23 February 2013 - 08:36 AM.

[Roughneck45]

ELO matchmaking is useful.

Just about 100% of my matches have been much closer games than it used to be.

Rarely see someone that has no idea what they are doing in match anymore.

It depends how the planets will work. If there are a ton of individual planets, well yeah, and random matchmaker wont help much. But if it is a specefic planet that everyone que's up on, it will be very important.

Edited by Roughneck45, 23 February 2013 - 08:36 AM.

[SteelRat]

Roughneck45, on 23 February 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

ELO matchmaking is useful.

Just about 100% of my matches have been much closer games than it used to be.

Rarely see someone that has no idea what they are doing in match anymore.

It depends how the planets will work. If there are a ton of individual planets, well yeah, and random matchmaker wont help much. But if it is a specefic planet that everyone que's up on, it will be very important.

Personally I think this version sucks, my opinion and I don't see any less stupidity on either side to be honest. Yes, occasionally you get a good match, but that happened with the old system as well. And the whole idea behind this was to allow teams of 4,5,6,7,8 to drop as well. Wheres that gone to?

Alas, this was not the point of my original post. I still think driving down this matchmaking road is a complete waste of time in its current form. It is so very limiting in what we as players can do. Doesn't allow a clan to practice drop. Doesn't allow for clans to setup matches against each other. It doesn't pit House vs House. It gives us no options as to what type of match WE want, like all lights, all Assault, max 600 tons or whatever other options you can think up. It doesn't even allow for a decent Ladder type competition, instead we get this ridiculous Be a Hero tourney where you are a SOLO player in a TEAM game. Whats the freaking point?

[Noth]

SteelRat, on 23 February 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

IF we do get some sort of planetary, CW mode, ELO matchmaking is going to be part of that? Your fighting for a planet, since when is war fair? Weight should be the only limiting factors in those types of fights. But that discussion can take place when/if we get CW.

I don't think you understand how CW is going to work. In CW you are in a faction and you don't control that faction (unless you are in a player made merc group) You don't generally get to choose who you fight or where you fight. There will be select planets that you faction is fighting for and the match maker will do what it can to match you against those you are fighting against on that planet. MM is a vital part of running CW. Also this is a game first. It's always funner to have a competitive fight than just a stomp.

Edited by Noth, 23 February 2013 - 12:08 PM.

[wonator]

Sorry if im mistaken, but isnt ELO offline atm?

[Noth]

wonator, on 23 February 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

Sorry if im mistaken, but isnt ELO offline atm?

Elo is online right now.

[The Amazing Atomic Spaniel]

I like it so far. I've had many more close matches than before. Something about it is working OK.

As for why it's important; well, it has a chance of stopping experienced players in groups pugstomping newcomers out of the game. If they can complement the very-limited current system with a lobby so groups can choose who they want to play then everyone wins.

[Fajther]

Find me a find catch me a catch. Arms swing above head.

In all seriousness I like the new system. It takes out all the suicide and ultra competitive players who can headshot me from 1200 m. Things feel better now. They really do. Only one or two ECMs a match and not 4.

Edited by Fajther, 23 February 2013 - 12:35 PM.

[Team Leader]

Call of Duty is hugely successful and there is about as much of a meta game. Microsoft flight sim has a worse story line. It's just a game, it's not life, I think we will have to get used to it.

[SteelRat]

Noth, on 23 February 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

I don't think you understand how CW is going to work. In CW you are in a faction and you don't control that faction (unless you are in a player made merc group) You don't generally get to choose who you fight or where you fight. There will be select planets that you faction is fighting for and the match maker will do what it can to match you against those you are fighting against on that planet. MM is a vital part of running CW. Also this is a game first. It's always funner to have a competitive fight than just a stomp.

No, your right, I have no idea how CW is going to work and neither do you because PGI has suddenly gone mute on the topic. BUT I know what it should be, and it isn't the half-assed idea they pitched to us months ago and it sure as hell shouldn't be based on the current matchmaker.

You guys are missing the point. Love or Hate the current system is not the point. The point is, the current system leads us no where except to more randomized matches. Its a misplaced effort by PGI that would be better served creating a more Solaris like environment, giving the players more options to fight each other.

Maybe its because a majority of you never got the opportunity to play on Genie/AOL/Gamestorm/MPBT:3025. Having experienced those games, which some where strictly Solaris up to full planetary in 3025, and those games had their flaws as well, but you would see there is so much more PGI could be doing here. I love the combat engine, I love blowing up mechs. But that love affair will last only so long before the frustration of not having something equal or better to what I have already played drives me away and puts PGI in the same class as EA.

Just give me a ******* clue as to where this is all going and if it sounds good, I will deal with the frustration it takes to get there.

Edited by SteelRat, 23 February 2013 - 10:50 PM.

[Deamhan]

SteelRat, on 23 February 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

So after a few days of this new matchmaker, I am not all that impressed. But this post isn't about the good and bad of the matchmaker, my question is, whats the point? Why is PGI putting all this effort into creating a system, that in the long term is pointless, unless this combat engine demo mode is the only thing MWO will ever be.

IF we do get some sort of planetary, CW mode, ELO matchmaking is going to be part of that? Your fighting for a planet, since when is war fair? Weight should be the only limiting factors in those types of fights. But that discussion can take place when/if we get CW.

To further my question, why isn't more time being spent creating something that is more useful and more engaging, like Solaris? Instead, we have a combat engine, which is nice and all, but extremely limited. You collect mechs and stats. I mean I love killing mechs and all but like I have said before, wheres the meat and potatoes? Wheres the bigger game?

Is this your vision of what MWO should be PGI? I sure hope not, its a real waste of the MW name.

Ding ding ding ding......

Well, it won't be the only thing but it sure is shaping up to the the fundamental thing.

[Gaan Cathal]

SteelRat, on 23 February 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

Your fighting for a planet, since when is war fair? Weight should be the only limiting factors in those types of fights.

Cognitive dissonance? Player skill can be unfair, weight can't?

[ProtoformX]

I feel strongly that the new matchmaker is doing a poorer job than the old matchmaker at the moment. Hoping for some tuning soon.

[Larth]

I'd gladly take on two horrible pilots any day rather than face one good pilot in a Trebuchet. Probably kill one before they even figured out they were getting attacked.

As for the MM, I've played enough games where I'm in matches that are fairly close.

Edited by Larth, 23 February 2013 - 11:24 PM.

[WalkingDeathBot]

I've found the new matchmaking to be extremely effective with at least 50% of my matches being very close/good games. Meh.....some people will groan no matter what you give em I guess.

[ShadowDarter]

the more data ELO has the better the matchups will be...

just play as many games as you can, and you will get better games.

[ProtoformX]

20 losses in a row now. Always on the top of the board.

[Larth]

Yeah, most games I got totally shut out in were due to the opposing team having better luck, skill, and/or tactics.

[Rina Fujimoto]

They really need to fix the weight matching, because I've given up all attempts to try to figure out how it even works.

Me and my friends got dropped on to caustic one round, we were mostly mediums, with one assault and one heavy, and suddenly our base is being capped, and fast, so we rush back and what do we find?

Friggin 5 lights and 3 Atlases.

I don't even.