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[Hedonism Robot]

Well for a while now there has been thread after thread about the ECM being OP or that ECM players were just more skilled. With the new ELO system we can finally see that they were simply just more skilled! The players with ECM mechs have a better win loss ratio and better K/D ratio. It's really sad that it took them so long to add ELO so we could see that this was simply a learn to play issue.

This is not the first time this has happened in a game though. In World of Warcraft, when it first released warlock players complained about the rogue. The rogue was a completely balanced high skill cap class (much more than the warlock) that a large number of the pro players decided to play. Many rogue players were so skilled they could kill a warlock without taking even one point of damage. Blizzard foolishly listened to the warlock players and nerfed the rogue! Hopefully PGI will not listen to the noobs like Blizzard did and with ELO can see they are just better players.

[Poisoner]

ECM is a crutch.

[LionZoo]

Excuse me if I miss the sarcasm (I am unfamiliar with WoW), but can't it possibly be that the ECM players had a higher W/L and KDR because of ECM rather than that higher skilled players all decide to use ECM?

[Biglead]

2/10 would not read again.

[Garfuncle]

For the love of all things that are good, please don't ever use World of Warcraft as a balancing bar of determining good game design. That "game" is an absolute mess with its PvP. They have attempted to rebalance it every. Single. Patch. And have always made one thing flavor of the month or outright broken on a regularity that defies game design logic from competent human beings. Chimpanzees could balance a game better than the apes at Blizzard.

[Hedonism Robot]

LionZoo, on 22 February 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Excuse me if I miss the sarcasm (I am unfamiliar with WoW), but can't it possibly be that the ECM players had a higher W/L and KDR because of ECM rather than that higher skilled players all decide to use ECM?

Any player can equip an ECM it is just like deciding to play a Warlock instead of a Rogue. Similarly in counterstrike many lower skill players call the AWP op. In fact many servers have gone so far as to not allow the purchase of the gun!

[Hastega]

LionZoo, on 22 February 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Excuse me if I miss the sarcasm (I am unfamiliar with WoW), but can't it possibly be that the ECM players had a higher W/L and KDR because of ECM rather than that higher skilled players all decide to use ECM?

You missed the sarcasm.

[Tempered]

Hedonism Robot, on 22 February 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

Any player can equip an ECM it is just like deciding to play a Warlock instead of a Rogue.

So where do I put the ECM on my jenner? Okay, how about my hunchback? Cataphract? Awsome?

[Tennex]

the logic is strong with this one. *sarcasm


maybe they got to high elo because they abuse ECM? maybe ECM is so good, the good players know that and thats why they use it. the thing competitive players use always determines what is OP.

Edited by Tennex, 22 February 2013 - 06:14 PM.

[Hedonism Robot]

Hastega, on 22 February 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

You missed the sarcasm.

What sarcasm! Sorry I am trying to win this contest to prove I am the best Raven-3L pilot in the inner sphere.

[Cpt Jason McCarthy]

Hedonism Robot, on 22 February 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Well for a while now there has been thread after thread about the ECM being OP or that ECM players were just more skilled. With the new ELO system we can finally see that they were simply just more skilled! The players with ECM mechs have a better win loss ratio and better K/D ratio. It's really sad that it took them so long to add ELO so we could see that this was simply a learn to play issue.

This is not the first time this has happened in a game though. In World of Warcraft, when it first released warlock players complained about the rogue. The rogue was a completely balanced high skill cap class (much more than the warlock) that a large number of the pro players decided to play. Many rogue players were so skilled they could kill a warlock without taking even one point of damage. Blizzard foolishly listened to the warlock players and nerfed the rogue! Hopefully PGI will not listen to the noobs like Blizzard did and with ELO can see they are just better players.

LOOOOOOOOL dumbest guy on the Internet !

[Deamhan]

All this proves is that ECM on a team is such an important necessity. The team with ECM has a greater chance of winning so it's obvious to say that those that bring ECM to the field are more likely to have a better win/loss ratio with the ECM mech. This only verifies the OPness of ECM.

[Bhael Fire]

Hedonism Robot, on 22 February 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

In World of Warcraft, when it first released warlock players complained about the rogue.

What's World of Warcraft? Is that like one of those games you dress up in woman's clothing and dance around in the woods, shouting "magic missile" at each other?

[Zyllos]

Not only ECM, but the strength of having superior tonnage (but I do like having tonnage advantaged/disadvantaged matches).

[Tiger Odin]

Hedonism Robot, on 22 February 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Well for a while now there has been thread after thread about the ECM being OP or that ECM players were just more skilled. With the new ELO system we can finally see that they were simply just more skilled! The players with ECM mechs have a better win loss ratio and better K/D ratio. It's really sad that it took them so long to add ELO so we could see that this was simply a learn to play issue.

This is not the first time this has happened in a game though. In World of Warcraft, when it first released warlock players complained about the rogue. The rogue was a completely balanced high skill cap class (much more than the warlock) that a large number of the pro players decided to play. Many rogue players were so skilled they could kill a warlock without taking even one point of damage. Blizzard foolishly listened to the warlock players and nerfed the rogue! Hopefully PGI will not listen to the noobs like Blizzard did and with ELO can see they are just better players.

What kind of ****** are you they are only higher ELO because they are abusing the item! I also see your signature you claim to be an ace pilot then list the two most broken mechs in the game.

[Hastega]

Tiger Odin, on 22 February 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

What kind of ****** are you they are only higher ELO because they are abusing the item! I also see your signature you claim to be an ace pilot then list the two most broken mechs in the game.

Shadowpunisher, on 22 February 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

LOOOOOOOOL dumbest guy on the Internet !

More people that missed the sarcasm.

Well done OP, your post was subtle enough to confuse multiple people into thinking you were serious.

[Elkfire]

Nerf paladins.

[Taurick]

5/10

Bonus points for sucked in

[Monky]

I'd give it a solid 7/10, because of the place it's posted. I considered making a BUFF ECM thread last week, just so there would have been one, ever, in the history of MWO.

[Erasus Magnus]

Hedonism Robot, on 22 February 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Well for a while now there has been thread after thread about the ECM being OP or that ECM players were just more skilled. With the new ELO system we can finally see that they were simply just more skilled! The players with ECM mechs have a better win loss ratio and better K/D ratio. It's really sad that it took them so long to add ELO so we could see that this was simply a learn to play issue.

This is not the first time this has happened in a game though. In World of Warcraft, when it first released warlock players complained about the rogue. The rogue was a completely balanced high skill cap class (much more than the warlock) that a large number of the pro players decided to play. Many rogue players were so skilled they could kill a warlock without taking even one point of damage. Blizzard foolishly listened to the warlock players and nerfed the rogue! Hopefully PGI will not listen to the noobs like Blizzard did and with ELO can see they are just better players.

8/10 good troll, keep it up, bro!

been there, done that. good times back in wow vanilla.

Hastega, on 22 February 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

More people that missed the sarcasm.

Well done OP, your post was subtle enough to confuse multiple people into thinking you were serious.

^this. fantastic job on this one, robot!

Edited by Erasus Magnus, 22 February 2013 - 07:09 PM.