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[Rigiroth]

This is something I"ve always wondered about. I've checked over the list in Sarna their are 3 55 ton mechs that could have been used, giving a mech to each tonnage level.

The Kintaro http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kintaro

The Griffin http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Griffin

The Dervish http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dervish

All of these mechs have plenty of viable variants and would play rather interestingly, so why the trebuchet over one of those mechs? Are they holding out the 55 ton slot for the Bushwacker or something?

[Redshift2k5]

I think it would instantly become '55 ton medium or go home', while three 50 tonners forces you to look at each 's individual strengths and weaknesses while they all share the same max tonnage.

The Dervish with four SRM6s, two MLAS, jumpjets, and a higher baseline speed than the Hunchback, and a solid +5 tons basically looks like it would become the defacto 'best' medium on the field. It also lacks three notably different variants.

Griffin lacks some of the issues since it has a much more stripped down loadout, but still comes a little weak on variants.

Kintaro, also low on variants, also weird looking.

[Sebastian Knight]

I've been wanting a 55 ton mech as well. Always had a fondness for them, but a lot of them are among the Unseen.

Given the value of ECM, I would love to see how a GRF-2N would stack up.

Redshift is probably right about the Dervish though, I often wish they had made hardpoints size specific to avoid that particular problem.

[Noth]

Also the griffin is an unseen and the devs are avoiding getting tangled up in that mess completely.

[Flyby215]

I don't think the Bushwacker is supposed to show up for another 3 years in 3053. Although I would certainly buy one!

Personally I'd like to see the Crab, one of my favourites from Mechwarrior 2 Mercs... although it is another 50 ton mech.

[Jericho917]

The dervish is a great mech and it comes from the TR3039 book like all the mechs have so far. the 5 tonn difference would mean slightly more armor and thats about it. the default speed is the same as the hunch. the hardpoints are generous for a medium but that is the mediums niche. nearly the same firepower as a heavy but less armor and faster.

[Donnie Silveray]

I'd sell everything for a Bushwacker , well so long as it is of reasonable aesthetics. I kind of puke when I see the Sarna page image and the LL Bushy.

[Tennex]

DERRRRVISSSSH

[Nastyogre]

Kintaro/Katana would be interesting, Dervish runs light on armor, like the Trebby. One of the big problems is the unseen/reseen issue. The ubiquitous 55 ton mechs are all Unseen.

In Btech terms the Dervish and Kintaro are faster than the hunch. 5/8 vs 4/6 on the Hunchback.

My question is why no 40 or 45's except the pathetic Cicada? Did we need a medium sized locust? How about a Vindicator? Clint? Hermes II, Wyvern, Even a Wolf Trap would be interesting considering the year.

[xRatas]

Hardpoints are not same for missiles. Try installing SRM6 launcher to replace NARC, and you have rocketmachinegun there. Fun, but lot less effective.

Dervish is one of my favourite mediums, but all three viable variants would end up being same build in MWO. SRM spam would be less of an issue, if SRM was better balanced weapon anyway.

Edited by xRatas, 24 February 2013 - 10:11 AM.

[Elizander]

Steemship, on 24 February 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

This is something I"ve always wondered about. I've checked over the list in Sarna their are 3 55 ton mechs that could have been used, giving a mech to each tonnage level.

The Kintaro http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kintaro

The Griffin http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Griffin

The Dervish http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dervish

All of these mechs have plenty of viable variants and would play rather interestingly, so why the trebuchet over one of those mechs? Are they holding out the 55 ton slot for the Bushwacker or something?

Cause most of the good ones are Unseen (45 tons/55 tons)

[Zordicron]

Med mechs I want to see:

Osprey- sort of rare, but 55 tons and has a very cool look to it and interesting configuration.
Clint
Crab- totally. really solid mech that hasnt seen use in older games for some reason

Also, but not right away for various reasons:
Shadowcat- favorite med mech, but it's clan. hope it shows up later.
Strider- a lot like Cicada in design, but it has more missile points, and a significantly different loadout so it would play differently. This might actually be an easier one to put in, they could likely use the skeleton and hit box config. from the cicada. Would just need a different graphics mesh and some code for the hardpoint differences.

[Escef]

Honestly, the biggest problem with a lot of the canon mediums of this time frame is that they are pocket heavies. The Whitworth, Blackjack, Vindicator, Enforcer, Centurion and Hunchback all move like one would expect of mechs in the 65-85 ton range. All but one of the 55 ton mechs of this era are Unseen (the art for the Scorpion, Wolverine, Shadowhawk, and Griffin are most likely unavailable for usage to PGI).

As for mediums they CAN use, I'd love to see the Assassin and Chameleon. The Clint and Hermes II wouldn't be bad choices (though I wager both would pick up unmentionable nick names), and the Vulcan would be interesting (and more probable, having two Succession War variants and a 3050 era refit).

[Alex Warden]

75 is the weightclass i am missing the most good mechs there

but over time, we will get more than enough mechs for EACH weight, but yea...later

[darkkterror]

Alex Warden, on 24 February 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

75 is the weightclass i am missing the most good mechs there

but over time, we will get more than enough mechs for EACH weight, but yea...later

Mad Cat! Oh wait, that's a Clan mech...

[Tickdoff Tank]

Eldagore, on 24 February 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

Med mechs I want to see:

Osprey- sort of rare, but 55 tons and has a very cool look to it and interesting configuration.
Clint
Crab- totally. really solid mech that hasnt seen use in older games for some reason

Also, but not right away for various reasons:
Shadowcat- favorite med mech, but it's clan. hope it shows up later.
Strider- a lot like Cicada in design, but it has more missile points, and a significantly different loadout so it would play differently. This might actually be an easier one to put in, they could likely use the skeleton and hit box config. from the cicada. Would just need a different graphics mesh and some code for the hardpoint differences.

Clint is 40 tons.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Clint

Meh... Just realized that you listed the Clint as "A mech you want to see" and not specifically a 55 tonner. My bad.

Edited by Tickdoff Tank, 24 February 2013 - 10:55 AM.

[Spheroid]

The Dervish most certainly not be the uber medium. The hands would be modeled with two missile ports and the torso would probably have missile bay doors.

It is a mute point, with the recent addition of the Trebuchet the Bushwacker will probably show up before the Dervish ever does.

There would not be a SRM variant, it would go DV-6M, DV-6Md and the DV-7D.

Edited by Spheroid, 24 February 2013 - 11:08 AM.

[Adridos]

Because 55 tonners have no meaning without the Shadow Hawk or Griffin.

Kintaro or Dervish? Those are trash.

[Escef]

Adridos, on 24 February 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

Because 55 tonners have no meaning without the Shadow Hawk or Griffin.

Kintaro or Dervish? Those are trash.

The Kintaro can boat SRMs as well as a C4 'pult, and keep them someplace sturdier than the arms.

[Ulquiorra9000]

Personally I don't see a "55 tons or go home" sort of thing happening because the 5 ton difference isn't much unless 55 ton 'mechs in this game wind up getting really good hardpoints or engines. On paper, I find 50-tonners just as viable as 55-tonners. It boils down to hardpoints and run speed, if you ask me.

Edited by Ulquiorra9000, 24 February 2013 - 11:24 AM.