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[Merc85]

Something is radically wrong with part of the MM system. I have no problem with elo, but when you have a huge map like Alpine, something has to be done to make sure both sides get the same number of light mechs. I just was in a battle where one side had 4 lights and the other side none. You can guess what happened. Lights are so OP on that map that without about the same number it's ridiculous. And I do not think you should be able to pick a mech after you see what map you get. Just balance the number of lights on Alpine or any future huge map like Desert.

On another note, having any mech, but especially lights, have BOTH ecm and streaks make no sense at all. Why run any other light other than an ecm/streak light? If someone could explain that to me I'd be interested.

[Mercules]

Maybe people should stop running strictly Assaults and slow mechs? Fast mediums can capture points on Alpine just fine, but the metagame of brawling in the middle of the map makes them less useful for everything else.

[NitroDev]

Merc85, on 26 February 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

On another note, having any mech, but especially lights, have BOTH ecm and streaks make no sense at all. Why run any other light other than an ecm/streak light? If someone could explain that to me I'd be interested.

You want to unlock elite/master and have to run 2 other variants? I dunno....

[Kozer]

Mercules, on 26 February 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

Maybe people should stop running strictly Assaults and slow mechs? Fast mediums can capture points on Alpine just fine, but the metagame of brawling in the middle of the map makes them less useful for everything else.

So...Just stop playing 2 classes of mech because of one map? Seems like the right thing to do!

[Dishevel]

Why not be able to pick Mechs for a map.
Every military ever fielded took into account the terrain they were going to deploy in.
Should be a ready room. Map name, Game type, and the mechs and loadouts your team is taking.
Once everyone is ready the game is launched.

[Kaldor]

Dishevel, on 26 February 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Why not be able to pick Mechs for a map.
Every military ever fielded took into account the terrain they were going to deploy in.
Should be a ready room. Map name, Game type, and the mechs and loadouts your team is taking.
Once everyone is ready the game is launched.

Yeah, um no.

If thats the case everyone would just play their little map they prefer with the build that is the most effective for that map. In other words, you would see nothing but scouts and long range builds on Alpine, a mixed bag on Caustic, and brawler setups every where else. As it is the chance of dropping on Alpine isnt that great anyway. (I seem to get River City 50% of the time)

[Mercules]

Dishevel, on 26 February 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Why not be able to pick Mechs for a map.
Every military ever fielded took into account the terrain they were going to deploy in.
Should be a ready room. Map name, Game type, and the mechs and loadouts your team is taking.
Once everyone is ready the game is launched.

1. In the MW universe mechs are "rare" and expensive. This means most mechwarriors, most military have X number of mechs to use. In other words, you use what you have.

2. In the MW Universe customizing a mech is a very time consuming process and even more expensive than buying one in the first place. Most military run their mechs stock, this has the side effect of allowing them to train their Mechwarriors to run a Dragon and available pilots go into available mechs.

3. When you are dealing with solar system sized areas where you might engage you probably won't have time to customize the mech you intended to drop on a cold planet to now drop on a desert planet when contact is made and you rapidly move to deploy. Look at Earth-like planets? What climate do you outfit your mech for when you might end up fighting from the equator to the poles?

[Jacmac]

Merc85, on 26 February 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

Something is radically wrong with part of the MM system. I have no problem with elo, but when you have a huge map like Alpine, something has to be done to make sure both sides get the same number of light mechs. I just was in a battle where one side had 4 lights and the other side none. You can guess what happened. Lights are so OP on that map that without about the same number it's ridiculous. And I do not think you should be able to pick a mech after you see what map you get. Just balance the number of lights on Alpine or any future huge map like Desert.

You're asking for the problem to be fixed the wrong way. The problem is not that lights are overpowered on Alpine, the problem is that the victory conditions are stupidly broken and it is finally coming to light on large maps. On a large map like Alpine there needs to be an attacker and a defender for one base, not two (for Assault). For Conquest, well you went in knowing what could happen if you are in a slow mech, so it's your fault if you get owned in Conquest.

[Dishevel]

Come up with all the crap you want to badly explain it.
No one is going to bring an urban mech to Alpine.

[Merc85]

NitroDev, on 26 February 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

You want to unlock elite/master and have to run 2 other variants? I dunno....

Yep...that's the only reason until they uncouple ecm and streaks. And you do it only because you have to, not want to, and then when you run into a mech with both ecm and streaks you just die right away.

[Hobo Dan]

I think when/if tonnage becomes a factor in the MM Elo system, this will be sorted out.

[Jacmac]

Merc85, on 26 February 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

Yep...that's the only reason until they uncouple ecm and streaks.

You say that as if there is a chance it will happen, LOL!