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[FriedIV]

Does BAP help against ECM? Does advanced sensors help against ECM? Is ECM just a blank check?

[Bloody Moon]

They do somewhat, but not by a large amount.

[Dan Nashe]

My understanding is that:
(1) Advanced Sensors increase the range at which you can detect ECM mechs by like 25/50% (whatever it says). I'm not sure exactly what this means. I think you can only target an ECM mech if it is within 200 meters and you have direct LOS OR another teammate has it targetted and is within 200 meters of it and has direct LOS.

So with advanced sensors you can target it at 250 and 300 meters?
I'm honestly not sure how it works. That's my understanding. The distances may be 180, 216 and 251 meters respectively.

(2) My understanding is that BAP has no effect against a mech protected by ECM. At all.

[FriedIV]

Well that's three wasted tons.
Thx

[Redshift2k5]

BAP does not, Bap is one of the thnigs ECM specifically is designed to foil.

The advanced sensor range modules do give you a wider sensor range versus ECM cloaked mechs. It widens the exterior of the detection 'donut', outside 180m but inside 200m (making it 180-225m I think?)

[Watchit]

Redshift2k5, on 26 February 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

BAP does not, Bap is one of the thnigs ECM specifically is designed to foil.

to me it seems like ecm is specifically designed to counter pretty much everything except direct fire weapons

[Xiphias]

Bap does not help against ECM.

Advanced sensors do help against ECM. Without advanced sensors it is possible to detect/lock a mech within 200m when it is under ECM. ECM disrupts your sensors within a range of 180m so you only have a 20m window in which to get the lock. With advanced sensors level 2 you are able to detect an ECM covered mech at 250m. You are still disrupted at a range of 180m, this gives you a window of 70m which is enough to allow a good pilot to get a lock.

Advanced sensors are very much worth the module slot.

[StalaggtIKE]

BAP is defeated by ECM. While the modules cost around 2-6 mil+ experience, for a 70m buff.

[Watchit]

which doesn't really make much sense, since advanced sensors and BAP stack, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe.

[Xiphias]

StalaggtIKE, on 26 February 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

BAP is defeated by ECM. While the modules cost around 2-6 mil+ experience, for a 70m buff.

50m buff for level 2 (25m for lvl 1 maybe? Forget the % boost). Expensive, but still very much worth it in my opinion. It is one of the better modules. Modules in general do not give huge buffs but will give a good pilot an advantage over one who doesn't have them.

Watchit, on 26 February 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

which doesn't really make much sense, since advanced sensors and BAP stack, or at least that is what I have been lead to believe.

BAP does stack on advanced sensors to give you a longer detection range. It doesn't counter ECM though so there is no boost to the detection range against an ECM covered mech, hence why it doesn't stack vs. ECM.

[Marcus Tanner]

Redshift2k5, on 26 February 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

BAP does not, Bap is one of the thnigs ECM specifically is designed to foil.

Well, in the tabletop double-blind system (which we seem to be using) Beagle does help against ECM used to hide positions. So it's intended to foil Beagle, up to a point.

That subtlety didn't make it into MWO.

Edited by Marcus Tanner, 26 February 2013 - 07:45 PM.

[Ranulf Magnusson]

Point is,BAP is exactly what the name says :

beagle AKTIVE probe...

I dont know how much has been programmed here in MWO,
but I definitively dont feel at ease throwing sensor impulses around without rethinking build and tactics accordingly.

BUT...

Lets wait and see if and how they programm the elementals !
Recon I could get used to carrying a little extra weight... as long as it doesnt claw at me ;-)