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[Capt Cole 117]

If the 65 ton Jagermech is going to be a compelling alternative to the 70 ton Cataphract 4X it will need something that the Cataphract doesn’t have. Because the Jagermech was built as an anti aircraft platform, it would make sense for it to have rapid torso/arm movement to keep planes in its crosshairs, and give people a reason to choose it over the less responsive but heavier Cataphract.

[Zyllos]

While I might be fine with that, what the Jagermech should be bringing over the Cataphract is a ballistic platform that is 5t less (because tonnage min/max is coming out in the future).

[Elyam]

I actually agree with you OP. I have concern about a 4xAC platform have terrific aiming agility in MWO, but properly simulating BT matters more to me, and you hit it right: as an anti-air platform, both for it and the Rifleman that it also takes over for in spirit, the Jagermech should has good arm and torso tracking, both in arc and speed.

Edited by Elyam, 07 March 2013 - 04:05 PM.

[ManDaisy]

Considering the jager mech is a replacement for the rifle man ( an anti air mech) I think the Jagermech should have a large degree of torso twist freedom, like 360 degrees. Like the urban mech the thing is modeled after a turret after all.

Edited by ManDaisy, 07 March 2013 - 04:21 PM.

[Monky]

A simple, adequate idea. I would also suggest considering higher max engine rating.

Give it the same torso twist as the catapult, or have it be a 360 mech, as it is design from the ground up as an AA mech.

[General Taskeen]

Abstain.

It should have 360 Degree Twist.

[Flapdrol]

2x AC20 and an xl engine, why would it need special buffs?

[Volthorne]

Flapdrol, on 07 March 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

2x AC20 and an xl engine, why would it need special buffs?

Because it has paper-thin armour and all of its weapons are only ever in the arms?

[Egomane]

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[Capt Cole 117]

Flapdrol, on 07 March 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

2x AC20 and an xl engine, why would it need special buffs?

You can't put an AC/20 in the arms, theres not enough crit space.

[Fiachdubh]

A thread with several valid points for both sides. You have all managed to peek my previously non-existent interest in the Jagermech, I look forward to seeing how they will implement it now.

[Metafox]

The jaegermech has no lower arm actuaters, so all three variants can run 2 AC20s and an XL engine. It sounds like things will be painful enough without a torso twist boost.

[blinkin]

wut?

the jager is going to be the undisputed king of ballistics.

i am pretty sure it will have one less arm joint than the cataphracts which should make it the first mech to be able to mount 4x UAC5 in it's arms. i am expecting a flood of "nerf the jager" posts as soon as it appears. i am pretty sure it will also be possible to have 2x AC20 on the arms for any of the variants. <-imagine a catapult k2 that can aim up. and lets not forget that all of these ballistic points will be on arms that are mounted very high up on the mech so you only need to expose your shoulders from behind cover.

i really don't think the jager is going to need any help. i would almost accept having no torso twist at all to balance out some of the ballistic power.

i voted a resounding hell no.

Edited by blinkin, 08 March 2013 - 12:40 AM.

[Renthrak]

Capt Cole 117, on 07 March 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

If the 65 ton Jagermech is going to be a compelling alternative to the 70 ton Cataphract 4X it will need something that the Cataphract doesn’t have. Because the Jagermech was built as an anti aircraft platform, it would make sense for it to have rapid torso/arm movement to keep planes in its crosshairs, and give people a reason to choose it over the less responsive but heavier Cataphract.

This is a fair point, and well presented. We should also bear in mind that it will be competing with the Catapult K2 as a big-ballistics platform, so it should be in some way superior to the K2. I don't expect the Jagermech to have the same torso twist range as the K2, so a faster torso twist seems a valid alternative.

I understand concerns about the heavy firepower it could potentially carry (2xAC20), but the Jagermech is designed as a ballistics platform. If being too good at its canon role was enough reason to nerf a 'Mech, we wouldn't be seeing 6xSRM6 Catapults wandering around so often. (For clarity, I wouldn't mind seeing an end to SRM Catapults AND 2xAC20 builds, but that's not a reasonable expectation at this point.)

Edited by Renthrak, 08 March 2013 - 02:21 AM.

[Donas]

blinkin, on 08 March 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

wut?

the jager is going to be the undisputed king of ballistics.

i am pretty sure it will have one less arm joint than the cataphracts which should make it the first mech to be able to mount 4x UAC5 in it's arms. i am expecting a flood of "nerf the jager" posts as soon as it appears. i am pretty sure it will also be possible to have 2x AC20 on the arms for any of the variants. <-imagine a catapult k2 that can aim up. and lets not forget that all of these ballistic points will be on arms that are mounted very high up on the mech so you only need to expose your shoulders from behind cover.

i really don't think the jager is going to need any help. i would almost accept having no torso twist at all to balance out some of the ballistic power.

i voted a resounding hell no.

exactly this. Exactly this.

I vote no, and I've been waiting for this thing to be released for EVER.

Elyam, on 07 March 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

the Rifleman that it also takes over for in spirit

I promised myself I wasn't going to cry today... thanks a lot... ::sniff sniff:: no Rifleman IIc ::sniff sniff::

Edited by Donas, 08 March 2013 - 05:19 AM.

[General Taskeen]

Donas, on 08 March 2013 - 05:21 AM, said:

I promised myself I wasn't going to cry today... thanks a lot... ::sniff sniff:: no Rifleman IIc ::sniff sniff::

Perhaps one day my friend. One day we will have our Rifleman IIC. And our revenge.

I've always liked the artwork for it, that dome cover on top is sweet.

[Featherwood]

2TS
You haven't seen JagerMech yet, but already had created some suggestion poll, that is not constructive dialogue, I'd say. No my voice for this poll, I'll wait till Mrch 19th first.

Edited by Featherwood, 08 March 2013 - 08:19 AM.

[Roland]

Why do people abstain in a poll that doesn't require you to vote?

[warner2]

Roland, on 08 March 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

Why do people abstain in a poll that doesn't require you to vote?

To indicate they've read the thread but still don't care either way?

[Kell Commander]

General Taskeen, on 07 March 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

Abstain.

It should have 360 Degree Twist.

Why I also abstained. Make it the ballistic equivalent of a catapult.