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[Kanatta Jing]

So Inside of the House but outside of House Companies in the aligned but unsorted mass of largely unbonded players.

These players gain rank based on how much and how well they have played. At the very least they have proven their familiarity with the game and ability to be in winning battles.

Such a player has been assigned by his loyalty rewards a higher rank then you. He has also taken the Command slot in the Lance you are in. This is a light hearted PUG match that your picking up while most of your mates are off. The Lance will be random people who have never played together before.

You could be a House soldier yourself, or a Mercenary or a Lone Wolf.

Do you obey his orders? Follow the Nav points, fire on the targets, fall back and advance on his command?

[Alfred VonGunn]

YOu obey if he/she isn't givig stupid orders... much like the real military if it is going to get you killed for no good reason then likely no..

[War Dogz]

Alfred VonGunn, on 28 May 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

YOu obey if he/she isn't givig stupid orders... much like the real military if it is going to get you killed for no good reason then likely no..

Guess you never served.
Since you can Only disobey a order if it is illegal or ill morale (killing/maiming combatives doesnt count)beside that you are stuck

Edited by War Dogz, 28 May 2012 - 11:35 PM.

[Alfred VonGunn]

Yes I did.. THe USMJ says you can ignore unlawful orders... And reality is if your Plt leader is a 2nd Lt.. You do what the Plt Sgt says not the LT:)

Edited by Alfred VonGunn, 29 May 2012 - 02:18 AM.

[Smellyshoes]

Depends. If I dont know the guy from Adam then I will follow orders if I think the plan is sound. I dont plan on getting people promoted at the cost of my mech. Plus, as a merc, I will play with the attitude "how much will I make and how much will it cost me to repair the damage".

[Cruxshadow]

Alfred VonGunn, on 29 May 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Yes I did.. THe USMJ says you can ignore unlawful orders... And reality is if your Plt leader is a 2nd Lt.. You do what the Plt Sgt says not the LT:)

USMJ??? Do you mean the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)?

When I was in the only time you disregarded what any officer said was if they were a fresh 90 day wonder just going into combat for the first time. If you did it any other time your Plt Sgt would PT you to death then bring you back to do it all over again.

[Juiced]

I wont listen to someone who has a house rank just because they have a higher house rank.

Remember that the devs said that rank confers no actual authority over other players. Now if that person happens to make a couple of suggestions and it seems like they know what they are doing, or if they are part of an organized group i happened to drop with...Ill give them a chance.

[Quentin Yatoki]

Cruxshadow, on 29 May 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

USMJ??? Do you mean the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)?

When I was in the only time you disregarded what any officer said was if they were a fresh 90 day wonder just going into combat for the first time. If you did it any other time your Plt Sgt would PT you to death then bring you back to do it all over again.

This, plus no Plt Sgt would ever directly countermand a 2nd LTs orders. He might take him aside and inform him that his orders are stupid and request that he change them, but anything else is insubordination.

As for House rank though, I'll follow his orders if they make sense, if he's a ***** I won't follow them. Because unlike a real military, they are unlikely to much in the way of real tactical training.

[Cruxshadow]

Quentin Yatoki, on 29 May 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

This, plus no Plt Sgt would ever directly countermand a 2nd LTs orders. He might take him aside and inform him that his orders are stupid and request that he change them, but anything else is insubordination.

As for House rank though, I'll follow his orders if they make sense, if he's a ***** I won't follow them. Because unlike a real military, they are unlikely to much in the way of real tactical training.

Agreed and agreed.

Although 20+ years of strategy board/wargamming can make some players into fairly good tacticians.

[RevolutionaryC]

you must think for yourself first. If you think the order would work, obey it. If not tell it not gonna work or just disobey it.

If you pro enough be a lone wolf.. aaawwwoooooo

[Cruxshadow]

RevolutionaryC, on 29 May 2012 - 04:52 AM, said:

you must think for yourself first. If you think the order would work, obey it. If not tell it not gonna work or just disobey it.

If you pro enough be a lone wolf.. aaawwwoooooo

Lone Wolves are dead dogs. As any true wolf will tell you it is better to run with the pack than starve alone.

[Woodstock]

I will be playing a Merc who takes contracts to support Liao.

So I will not technically be part of the liao command structure. However in the effort to maintain immersion I will be dutifully loyal and subservient to high ranking Capellan Officers and nobility.

[Quentin Yatoki]

Cruxshadow, on 29 May 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

Agreed and agreed.

Although 20+ years of strategy board/wargamming can make some players into fairly good tacticians.

This is true. And I personally think that any kind of co-ordination on a team is better then no co-ordination as well, but that means that EVERYONE on the battlefield needs to work together which rarely if ever happens in PUGs.

Lone Wolves are usually next to useless, unless they are willing to take orders and work in a team.

Edited by Quentin Yatoki, 29 May 2012 - 05:45 AM.

[Aerik Lornes]

I will gladly take suggestions from someone who appears to have a clue. I've been playing Battletech since 1985, so I feel qualified in being able to judge who has a clue. That said, I expect PUGs to be a clustersuck but still fun.

This is a game I play to have fun, not srs bsns, even though I still play to win.

Edited by Aerik Lornes, 29 May 2012 - 06:08 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Tehbob, on 29 May 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

I wont listen to someone who has a house rank just because they have a higher house rank.

Remember that the devs said that rank confers no actual authority over other players. Now if that person happens to make a couple of suggestions and it seems like they know what they are doing, or if they are part of an organized group i happened to drop with...Ill give them a chance.

Perhaps giving people the benefit of hte doubt instead of transferring jaded experiences into this game.

Will some screaching kid try and give out comm orders if you PUG? It will happen. Will most people realize that, that guy tooling around in a beasty tech'd out Atlas with max rank knows what he's talkin about? Probably.

IF you're the guy simply ignoring sensible directions from someone who has greater house rank during a fight, you're the scrub, not him for trying to direct people during the fight to win.

"Don't tell me how to play!" <-----Bullshit.

I suggest people who don't want to play within the confines of the ranks within a House, join a Merc unit. Any Merc unit. They are known for running around with their heads cut off and fleeing the field at a moments notice.

Not following sensible directions during PUG fights will simply have you screened out of future fights, for those who run with a team, but like to jump in and roll in the pig pen every now and then.

I'm sure once the game gets going people start ranking up with the House units we can start making threads with the more prominent leaders that play the game regularly so new players/existing players can get a clue with a little meta research before they jump in.

Edited by PANZERBUNNY, 29 May 2012 - 08:22 AM.

[FrostPaw]

PANZERBUNNY, on 29 May 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

Perhaps giving people the benefit of hte doubt *snip*

You try it, lemme know how that works out for you.

[Satan n stuff]

In a PUG I'll follow sensible orders only. No point trashing my mech because some supposed "officer" forgot about enemy firesupport or other crap like that. I'll also not run into a killbox just to act as fodder for other players, there's plenty of opportunities to risk my mech for people I actually know.
Assuming I manage to assemble or find myself a good lance or one manages to find me I'll follow orders, if my commander gives an order that sounds a little iffy I can always tell him/her and maybe offer an alternative. If there's no good alternative then someone screwed up somewhere big time and we should probably be fixing that mistake instead of fighting.

[PANZERBUNNY]

FrostPaw, on 29 May 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

You try it, lemme know how that works out for you.

As I'm not jaded or elitest I don't mind passing on some of my knowledge or advice to people who may not be on par with the average player...yet. It's called building a community. !SHOCK!

If they don't want advice and simply want to run around my mech in circles while we get indirect fire and incinerated, they obviously gain a spot on the "boot from group that I've started or I drop from group that I've joined."

I have a feeling that after a while, the people who would do the above actions or act like scrubs will self weed themselves out of this game.

They'll realize it isn't like COD or any other quick fast game and they need to invest a modicum of attention to do nearly anything with positive results.

[Arkada]

I obey because a disfunction team always looses to a functional team.

Now some times there are total morons out there.... They have stated that your stats will be visible and comparable to other players. So in a match i will listen to the player with 12K games played and a 58% win ration long before i listen to the player with 2K games played an a 48% win ratio.

What I do like is that the mech warrior game has stated that these stats and comparisons will be there and viewable.. in other games like World of tanks we needto run game mods to show us the stats of other playes in the match.

This is not a cheat but a tool that helps players make quick ingame decisions about who to listen to and who to take advice from.


I saw in one vidio where the pesident mentioned that he almost hit his lance mate. Team damage and team killing should be in Mech warrior. for many reason one of which is to kill that moron because some time your better off without them.

But in short yes I obey any compitent officer giving orders. this is a game where team work counts a lot.

If that Jenner mech is hiding behinf the atlas because he is not wanting to die and not doing his job of scouting targets for the Catapult then i would expect that catapult to turn arond and B*tch slap the Jenner.

[William Chase Davion]

I voted sometimes. If the person seems to know what they're doing, I'll follow their orders. I'm sure this game will be like most other team games, where coordination and cooperation will be often be the difference between winning and losing.