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[Tickdoff Tank]

TheForce, on 27 February 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

what are you going to take in a CN9-A...AC10 or 3 SRM6?

How about both?

[Voridan Atreides]

I fell in love with the AC/10 when I first bought my CN9-A a loooong time ago. The AC/10 will remain one of my favorite weapons. I have just had great success with but it does need a buff.

[Khobai]

PPC buff killed all ballistic weapons except gauss/uac5. Even the ac20 is garbage compared to two erppcs. I run two erppcs on my trebuchet and have zero heat problems whatsoever. Autocannons still need huge buffs to bring them into parity with PPCs.

There is a reason you see most people running around with some combination of PPCs/SRMs. Because these are hands down the best weapons right now.

Edited by Khobai, 27 February 2013 - 11:38 AM.

[KKillian]

Autocannon 10 Recycle 2.5 Damage 10 DPS 4 Heat 3 HPS 1.2 Slots 7 Wgt. 12 tons 450m 1350max spd1,100 $400,000 PPC Recycle 3 Damage 10 DPS 3.33 Heat 8 HPS 2.67 Slots 3 Wgt. 7 tons 90 - 540m 1080max spd2,000 $400,000

Faster cooldown, 1/3 the heat, no min range, longer max range. Ballistic version of the ppc, it is not an energy weapon, it does not go in missle slots or energy slots, you simply cannot compare them, it's apples to oranges, they have their place.

[Voridan Atreides]

TheForce, on 27 February 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

the AC10 is crap compared to grouping 3 SRM6's.

AC/10 + 3 SSRM2 > 3SRM6 in my opinion.

[MuonNeutrino]

Voridan Atreides, on 27 February 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

AC/10 + 3 SSRM2 > 3SRM6 in my opinion.

MAN, I wish I could still run that config. Ran with that on my CN9-A, my very first purchased mech, all the way up until ECM killed SSRMs. Optimal? Perhaps not. Fun as *heck*? Ohhhhhhh yeah.

[Voridan Atreides]

MuonNeutrino, on 27 February 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

MAN, I wish I could still run that config. Ran with that on my CN9-A, my very first purchased mech, all the way up until ECM killed SSRMs. Optimal? Perhaps not. Fun as *heck*? Ohhhhhhh yeah.

I remember playing it when there was no ECM. I felt bad because streaks were pretty OP at the time (they kinda still are) but I loved that mech so much. In my defense I usually only used the streaks on pesky lights and the rest on heavier mechs.

[Khobai]

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AC/10 + 3 SSRM2 > 3SRM6 in my opinion.

Nope.avi

three SRM6s are superior in almost every way. Its 45 spread damage vs 10 pinpoint and 15 spread damage. And you cant use your SSRMs against anyone with ECM.

PPCs/SRMs are dominant right now.

I really want to like the AC/10 but the truth is its a crappy weapon. Even in tabletop it was a crappy weapon. That's why level 2 rules came out with Ultra Autocannons and LBX Autocannons to fix what was wrong with the standard autocannons.

Edited by Khobai, 27 February 2013 - 11:43 AM.

[80Bit]

I have 22 mechs, and the number of AC10s I use across all of them is...... zero.

Comparing it to a PPC is not valid across all mechs since they use different hard points. But you don't have to compare it to a PPC to see it's lackluster. Why use an AC10 when a UAC/5 for 3 tons less or a Gauss for 3 tons more is better in most situations.

[Tarman]

TheForce, on 27 February 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

what are you going to take in a CN9-A...AC10 or 3 SRM6?

My answer to that is yes.

[KKillian]

Again the perfect example is the K2 mentioned earlier, this guy runs around at 80+kph, has no heat issues whatsoever with a 40 dmg alpha, and is not volatile to 1 shots on his side panels. I dunno about you but I sure as hell gauss hunt like a madman those things are just waiting to blow their users apart, the ONLY mech I use gauss on mount in the arms and I LOVE one shotting gauss k2's.

Edited by KKillian, 27 February 2013 - 11:45 AM.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

you would mount an AC10 on a mech 'cos that's the only option you have. and don't forget heat is a big trade off...

you can fire that thing over and over and over till all the shells are gone and not overheat. There's a pretty damn big difference in my opinion.

When you're in a brawl... your heat is high... every second counts and so much as turning the wrong direction (or firing one more shot will cause you to shutdown // take component damage) will do you in.... you'll see what makes that AC/10 so good............

you can still shoot it! Life permitting.

Edited by M4NTiC0R3X, 27 February 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[MuonNeutrino]

Voridan Atreides, on 27 February 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

I remember playing it when there was no ECM. I felt bad because streaks were pretty OP at the time (they kinda still are) but I loved that mech so much. In my defense I usually only used the streaks on pesky lights and the rest on heavier mechs.

Yup. The streaks were basically just there because I had gotten so sick of being killed by jenners while piloting the trial catapult. The first time I put down a jenner with those streaks was an *extremely* satisfying experience.

Edited by MuonNeutrino, 27 February 2013 - 11:47 AM.

[Voridan Atreides]

MuonNeutrino, on 27 February 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

Yup. The streaks were basically just there because I had gotten so sick of being killed by jenners while piloting the trial catapult. The first time I put down a jenner with those streaks was an *extremely* satisfying experience.

Yup back then it was the Jenners that were the most annoying mech. I can remember the absolute joy I felt of slamming them to the ground with streaks especially after that horrible trial grind.

80Bit, on 27 February 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Why use an AC10 when a UAC/5 for 3 tons less or a Gauss for 3 tons more is better in most situations.

I tried using the UAC/5 to replace my AC/10 but I could not just get into it. I just got so much more damage with my AC/10 then with my UAC/5.

Khobai, on 27 February 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

I really want to like the AC/10 but the truth is its a crappy weapon.

With the success I have had with it I have to really disagree with you.

[Slashmckill]

Voridan Atreides, on 27 February 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

I tried using the UAC/5 to replace my AC/10 but I could not just get into it. I just got so much more damage with my AC/10 then with my UAC/5.

Really? i had the opposite experience, i could fire more shots from the Uac/5 faster to deal more damage but it was spread all over the place, where as when i use an ac/10 i deal damage slightly slower but i deal more in the areas that i'am trying to penetrate. Although i still perfer the ac/10 over the Uac/5.

Voridan Atreides, on 27 February 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

With the success I have had with it I have to really disagree with you.

Well he was technecally not too far off, don't get me wrong i think the ac/10 is a great weapon and i headshot people left and right in my chicken painted "Cluckturion", but the buff to ppcs makes them far more appealing now. Ppcs are a little bit too good now and by comparison it does make ac/10's look pretty bad. (though i'am still not going to give up my ac/10s)

[Slater01]

AC10 = Old Tech
PPC = New Tech
ERPPC = Newest Tech

I don't totally dismiss the AC10, its just the nich for basic/standard AC weapons is currenly very small, especially when Laser boating mechs prove to be very powerful and versitle. I do agree that an AC weapon is a nice inbetween shot/heat weapon, as seen by most pilots using on their Atlases.

Edited by Slater01, 27 February 2013 - 12:19 PM.

[Slater01]

I am very glad the PGI fixed the AC weapons. they sucked back in CB with the one second firing delay.

[Selfish]

I like the new PPC buffs, but a direct comparison between ballistics and energy projectiles is a bit moot since their strengths are dependent on mechs with the hardpoints to fit them. PPCs weigh less, but because of slotting can often stack higher burst that needs tons of HS to compensate. Ballistics weigh more, but because of slotting can stack faster burst that needs tonnage and ammo to compensate.

The AC/10 is a very economical weapon as it doesn't suffer from drawbacks like the UAC/5, LB10X, Gauss Rifle, and AC/20. The worst you can say for it is that it's the same size as a Gauss. 7 Crits can make it tough to find a use for those 2 extra crits after a DHS.

[Vapor Trail]

Skaroth, on 27 February 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

This is why you see very few Ac 10s

Nope... the UAC/5 is why you see few AC/10s.

Less tonnage needed at 8 vs 12 tons.
Less critical space needed at 4 vs 7 slots.
Better DPS (even without double-shotting) at 5/1.1 = 4.55 vs 10/2.5 = 4
Lower heat generation (again, no doubles) at 1/1.1 = .91 vs 3/2.5 = 1.2
Comparable damage per ton of ammo at 125 vs 150.

Why take an AC/10?

[Penance]

Aethon, on 27 February 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

Because the PPC does not fit in ballistic slots.

Also, the AC/10 has the coolest reloading sound in the game.

pretty much this...seemed pretty obvious when comparing energy weapons to ballistic.

Vapor Trail, on 27 February 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Why take an AC/10?

no jams..but then again, this isn't about the Uac5...op made it about ppc vs ac10

Edited by Penance, 27 February 2013 - 12:38 PM.