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[armyof1]

I've been running my Jenners and focusing on mastering the JR7-D which is a fun little mech. As we all know when you need to level up 3 different chassis some are without a doubt worse than others, but at least they are different where you lose a hardpoint or two and gain others. But what I don't understand is the idea behind JR7-K. The one and only difference the JR7-K has compared to JR7-D is that the K model has one missile(4) less than JR7-D..... and it gains nothing else whatsoever?! Doesn't that feel really silly, since you have no variation in weapon hardpoints at all except you lose one missile? I feel it would only make sense to at least add one energy hardpoint for the K model to not be a simply gimped version when compared to the others. What do you Jenner pilots say, doesn't it make sense?

Edited by armyof1, 28 February 2013 - 06:35 AM.

[Voridan Atreides]

The Atlas AS7-K is the same way. I think it does have an extra module slot and one more AMS hardpoint but other then that it really has little on the other Atlases.

[hammerreborn]

Jenner K has an extra module slot. Also losing a hard point isn't always a bad thing. Losing an srm4 allows for much better heat management, or swapping to pulses over regular for added energy punches.

[Roughneck45]

Yes, it needs something. Ideally each variant would bring something different to the table.

Im not really sure if PGI is committed to that idea though.

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

The Atlas AS7-K is the same way. I think it does have an extra module slot and one more AMS hardpoint but other then that it really has little on the other Atlases.

Yes, but at least it has something. That dual AMS was quite a bit of fun back in the days of LRMwarrior online.

[Ewigan]

I guess you will have to wait for the jenner quirks.

If they have any sense on what to do with those quirks, all jenners will get some kind of nerf, and the K will get buffs instead.

[Roughneck45]

hammerreborn, on 28 February 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

Jenner K has an extra module slot. Also losing a hard point isn't always a bad thing. Losing an srm4 allows for much better heat management, or swapping to pulses over regular for added energy punches.

Ah, there it is, it does have something different.

Now we just need more worthwhile modules.

[Cest7]

The JR7-D and JR7-K both only have 4 tubes, the K with +1 module.. running 4mla and missiles (ssrmx2 or srm4) will give them an equal alpha of 25.

[hammerreborn]

Roughneck45, on 28 February 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

Ah, there it is, it does have something different.

Now we just need more worthwhile modules.

Basically. The Jenner k is like the command Jenner. When consumable modules comes out it'll probably be amazing for calling in airstrikes and stuff

[Mawai]

Whether you consider it useful or not ...

The JR7-K has an additional module slot so when mastered it can fit 4 modules. When they introduce more useful modules there might be a combination that will be possible for the JR7-K that is not possible on the others.

In addition, although the hardpoints are a subset of the JR7-D ... you can still fit an SRM6 in the single CT missile hard point which is pretty comparable to the JR7-D with 2xSRM4 with more left over tonnage ... the main drawback is the inability to fit 2xSSRM2 if you wanted to do that.

[armyof1]

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 06:49 AM, said:

The Atlas AS7-K is the same way. I think it does have an extra module slot and one more AMS hardpoint but other then that it really has little on the other Atlases.

Yeah exchange a good weapon hardpoint for module slot just makes no sense. I just think it's strange to put out not different but just clearly bad chassis versions of mechs.

[Voridan Atreides]

Roughneck45, on 28 February 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

Yes, but at least it has something. That dual AMS was quite a bit of fun back in the days of LRMwarrior online.

Yeah but why is it the most expensive Atlas?

[Roughneck45]

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

Yeah but why is it the most expensive Atlas?

No clue lol.

Did it come with a stock XL engine? Usually thats why a mech is way more expensive.

[Voridan Atreides]

Roughneck45, on 28 February 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

No clue lol.

Did it come with a stock XL engine? Usually thats why a mech is way more expensive.

You know what I think it does. I'll check it out. For me thats even worse though. I would never put an XL in an Atlas. Seems too big of a weakness for such a slow mech.

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 28 February 2013 - 07:00 AM.

[armyof1]

Mawai, on 28 February 2013 - 06:55 AM, said:

Whether you consider it useful or not ...

The JR7-K has an additional module slot so when mastered it can fit 4 modules. When they introduce more useful modules there might be a combination that will be possible for the JR7-K that is not possible on the others.

In addition, although the hardpoints are a subset of the JR7-D ... you can still fit an SRM6 in the single CT missile hard point which is pretty comparable to the JR7-D with 2xSRM4 with more left over tonnage ... the main drawback is the inability to fit 2xSSRM2 if you wanted to do that.

I haven't heard about new modules being on the horizon soon, so it'll mean JR7-K will be totally pointless compared to the JR7-D for a long time.

Yeah I did put a SRM6 in that missile slot in the JR7-K, but having first 4 missiles and then the other 2 come in succession is a lot worse to handle as you're effectively having to aim not once but twice to get all missiles usable. With the JR7-D you have 2xSRM4 and all the missiles fire at the same time.

Edited by armyof1, 28 February 2013 - 07:03 AM.

[General Taskeen]

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

You know what I think it does. I'll check it out. For me thats even worse though. I would never put an XL in an Atlas. Seems too big of a weakness for such a slow mech.

You don't need to check. It does have an XL 300 stock. The Atlas-K is meant to stay at long-range with its default load out. This is known as Challenge Mode.

[Roughneck45]

Voridan Atreides, on 28 February 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

You know what I think it does. I'll check it out. For me thats even worse though. I would never put an XL in an Atlas. Seems too big of a weakness for such a slow mech.

For sure. XL on an Atlas is almost always a bad idea IMO.

What is the engine size? It may just be a nice one to have lying around for certain mech builds.

EDIT: XL300, certainly worth it then. My most used/flexible XL engine.

Edited by Roughneck45, 28 February 2013 - 07:05 AM.

[Voridan Atreides]

Roughneck45, on 28 February 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

No clue lol.

Did it come with a stock XL engine? Usually thats why a mech is way more expensive.

http://mwowiki.org/wiki/Atlas

According to this the Atlas K only comes with two module slots (D-DC comes with three. D and RS come with two), one missile hardpoint (one-two less then the other variants), four energy hardpoints (two more then the D-DC), and one ballistic hardpoint (one-two less then the other variants). Also comes with an XL300.

[Asakara]

I believe the Jenner-K should get ECM.

[Voridan Atreides]

General Taskeen, on 28 February 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

You don't need to check. It does have an XL 300 stock. The Atlas-K is meant to stay at long-range with its default load out. This is known as Challenge Mode.

Okay thanks.

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 28 February 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[armyof1]

hammerreborn, on 28 February 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

Jenner K has an extra module slot. Also losing a hard point isn't always a bad thing. Losing an srm4 allows for much better heat management, or swapping to pulses over regular for added energy punches.

Personally I find the SRM4 the most important weaponry of the Jenners, especially if you'll even stand a chance against a R3L you need something that can deliver more burst damage quick. Pulse lasers instead of ordinary lasers just doesn't make a big enough difference compared to 1 SRM4.

Edited by armyof1, 28 February 2013 - 07:09 AM.