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#21 MadPanda

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:32 AM

View PostGrraarrgghh, on 28 February 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

Congrats on your big win, but I thought you were posting proof of something.


Elo was enabled ages ago. That game was played today. Why is there no suitable elo rank for me? Surely there are players out there that can give me a challenge.

#22 Grraarrgghh

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:36 AM

View PostMadPanda, on 28 February 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:


Elo was enabled ages ago. That game was played today. Why is there no suitable elo rank for me? Surely there are players out there that can give me a challenge.


Maybe you're just moving your way up through the scrubs? A single persons anecdotal evidence doesn't really signify a broken matchmaker.

/seriouspost

#23 Vlad Ward

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:37 AM

View PostGrraarrgghh, on 28 February 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:


Maybe you're just moving your way up through the scrubs? A single persons anecdotal evidence doesn't really signify a broken matchmaker.

/seriouspost


On top of this, the MM has been known to work off of aggregate team ELO rather than individual ELO. The other team probably had one good player with the rest of the match being 14 scrubs.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:38 AM

View PostVlad Ward, on 28 February 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:


Why would they bother wiping ELO ratings right after staging a whole weekend tournament specifically designed to seed ELO rankings?


To do the calc, you want long term data based on current game mechanics. They can use the previous data to build the statistical model to run their ELO. However, basing ELO on data that are months old, especially with the wild swings in game mechanics would give a very poor ranking system. Especially for players who have 2K+ games under their belt.

My ELO bracket is off now. I've pugged exclusively 2,600+ matches and my K/D ratio goes up a hundredth place every 7 or 8 games. I should be equalizing out relatively soon but its not the case. I'm not a super player, however due to the bulk of the games I've pugged its lowered my ranking and its taking time to climb.

It would make a lot of sense when the game is out of BETA to do the stat wipe and wipe ELO.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostOni Ralas, on 28 February 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Elo is very broken. I was on a team with Garth for crying out loud.

How long did you wait for that game to fill up?

How long did Garth wait?

#26 Vlad Ward

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:40 AM

They're not basing ELO on your months old W/L ratio or KDR or anything like that. It only counts matches after the February 5th patch.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:42 AM

View PostVlad Ward, on 28 February 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

They're not basing ELO on your months old W/L ratio or KDR or anything like that. It only counts matches after the February 5th patch.


Hah, its based on recent stats then they need to go back to the drawing board.

#28 Vlad Ward

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

Didn't you just finish saying that they needed to wipe stats (also read as: only count recent stats) because tracking old stats would create issues?

It's not looking at your "W/L" number on your stats page, no matter when the tracking starts, so it doesn't matter if it doesn't move much. You should probably just go read the command chair writeup at this point.

#29 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

View PostGoose, on 28 February 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

How long did you wait for that game to fill up?

How long did Garth wait?

I'm still waiting for my game with Garth! :P
Another 3 hours till I can drop with him!!! :P





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