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[Norris J Packard]

Helbourne, on 01 March 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

You cannot trade c-bills... or anything else for that matter. Therefore traditional gold farming (cbill farming) is IMPOSSIBLE!

Grind away on an account and get a trillion or two cbills, big deal and so what. They stay on that account.

You didn't read the OP, and didn't read the context regarding the post I quoted and responded to.

Edited by Norris J Packard, 01 March 2013 - 11:56 PM.

[Ashnod]

Obviously it needs to be MC wagers, everyone throws in X amount of MC, winning team takes all. Add in a nice buy the required MC for the match for people that don't have enough MC and PGI has even more incentive to have this, as well as taking away any incentive for gold sellers.

Would also allow tournaments such as RHOD or anything PGI hosts a nice outlet to provide prizes, throw in X MC into the pool, etc etc

Edited by Ashnod, 02 March 2013 - 12:02 AM.

[Znail]

Anyway, that is why there will never be such a gambling system in this game. The option to trade c-bills would open up for gold farming and gold sellers.

[Critical Fumble]

Helbourne, on 01 March 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

You CANNOT trade between accounts. There is NO trading in the game. So this is impossible. What the heck are you people talking about?

Sigh.

A "Gold seller" makes an offer on their website, a set amount of C-bills for so much real world currency. They get a taker, and to actually transfer the c-bills, they go into one of these high-stakes matches with the client and purposefully throw the match. So yes, that would make it possible.

[Doc Holliday]

Wow. Some people just don't get it.

PGI has a huge incentive to offer free custom games. For good will. That's right. Happy customers are paying customers. Now, free custom games obviously would give no rewards at the end. But the people who really care about free custom games wouldn't care about not getting rewards for playing them.

I'd be shocked beyond belief if PGI didn't understand this and already have free custom games in the pipeline. They may have made some stupid decisions but this one is so obvious even they shouldn't screw it up.

[Helbourne]

Critical Fumble, on 02 March 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

Sigh.

A "Gold seller" makes an offer on their website, a set amount of C-bills for so much real world currency. They get a taker, and to actually transfer the c-bills, they go into one of these high-stakes matches with the client and purposefully throw the match. So yes, that would make it possible.

The scenerio you guys are setting up is not the 'traditional gold farmer'. It would be more of a total and complete scam. Could anyone really trust some 'farmer' site to take a dive just so you can get a pay out. They are in to the quick buck, pay them cash and they trade x amount to your account. Since there is no trading it would be a lot more work.

Plus have you read the threads about how Elo and the current match making system has ruined teams? You would need team play to work near flawlessly for this to work out.

Besides, it sounds like a lot of hoops to jump through just to get a hold of some fictional currency. Fictional currency for a (non) market. You have to admit there is no market right now. So if some fool wants to get scammed by all means go right ahead.

[Jestun]

Magik0012, on 28 February 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Why would PGI take a cut of the C-bills? They are worthless game-only currency.

Because, with no repairs, no need to repurchase spent ammo, etc there is no cash sink once you have purchased and equipped your mechs.

Helbourne, on 02 March 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

The scenerio you guys are setting up is not the 'traditional gold farmer'. It would be more of a total and complete scam. Could anyone really trust some 'farmer' site to take a dive just so you can get a pay out. They are in to the quick buck, pay them cash and they trade x amount to your account. Since there is no trading it would be a lot more work.

Plus have you read the threads about how Elo and the current match making system has ruined teams? You would need team play to work near flawlessly for this to work out.

Besides, it sounds like a lot of hoops to jump through just to get a hold of some fictional currency. Fictional currency for a (non) market. You have to admit there is no market right now. So if some fool wants to get scammed by all means go right ahead.

Trusting a gold seller to throw the match is like trusting a gold seller to mail you the gold after you pay.

Both have exactly the same risk, the gold seller may be untrustworthy.

[Elizander]

Znail, on 02 March 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

Anyway, that is why there will never be such a gambling system in this game. The option to trade c-bills would open up for gold farming and gold sellers.

You'd see a sick amount of bot/scripted cadet accounts.

[Jestun]

Elizander, on 02 March 2013 - 07:53 AM, said:

You'd see a sick amount of bot/scripted cadet accounts.

In fact...

Why would anyone go to a gold seller considering how much you could earn just by creating new accounts with the cadet bonus.

Either way, it still opens up the possibility of "trading" CBills.

[Corvus Antaka]

Helbourne, on 01 March 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

You CANNOT trade between accounts. There is NO trading in the game. So this is impossible. What the heck are you people talking about?

Exactly. I'd love to see C-bill bidding on Solaris matches.

[Jestun]

Helbourne, on 01 March 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

You CANNOT trade between accounts. There is NO trading in the game. So this is impossible. What the heck are you people talking about?

No, there is not.

But if the OPs idea were implemented there effectively would be as I could easily throw the match, resulting in the winners getting more money.

[Splinters]

The counter-argument is that this will open up cbill trading between users which previously did not exist and would break a serious wall between gold farmers and legitimate players. Without a way to trade cbills, this game has no interest for gold farmers, any mechanism including what the OP presented would break that wall (however small) and possible for exploitation.

Personally the best way to handle (If such a system were to exist) is to put your cbills into a large tourney of 512 players so that the odds of a gold farmer being able to pass of cash to another are so remote it isn't worth anyone's time. For instance only the top 8 (Quarter-finalists) get awarded and you have 512 players put in 250k each, you would have 128m C-bills in the pot, 30m for the winner, 25m for 2nd, 20m for 3rd...5m for 6th, (switch to 50% of previous ranking for last 2 spots) 2.5m for 7th, 1.25m for 8th. This way any gold farmer that wanted to guarantee payout to 8 guys would have to seed 504 spots in a tourney and throw all their matches to get 8 guys their money and even then it would be uneven. Of course there is only ~109m paid out of the 128m cbills paid in. The rest can be considered PGI's gold sink or maybe make 9-15th paid out in smaller amounts.

-S

[Helbourne]

Go ahead with any sort of wager system, it would not matter with such a 'non-market' I am going to call it. You could have 16 trillion cbills in your account and it really would gain you very little. Sure you could buy all the mechs, but you still have to spend real world cash to purchase all the MC to buy the all the mech bays you need.

You can only get the modules after you earned enough XP for each one. Plus you can only pilot one mech at a time. So go ahead with any sort of bets people would like. Go ahead and pay people to take dives. Without trading between accounts it cannot really hurt anything. Not like PGI is going to run out of inventory. Prices do not change unless PGI says so.

In short, bring on match betting, it really does not affect anything.

[TOPGUN Viper]

The TOPGUN Academy will not be paying PGI to play with people we want! This service should be FREE. There should be a lobby that TOPGUN can set up and play with who we want to play with. TOPGUN is the top 1% and we will not play with lesser pilots....

[Aluminum Adjuivant From Vaccines]

Magik0012, on 28 February 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Why would PGI take a cut of the C-bills? They are worthless game-only currency.

Even if they were taking MC, they have already taken the real-world money for it when the MC was purchased and thus, to PGI, it is also worthless.

You don't say.

[BigJim]

Thirdstar, on 28 February 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

There's little motivation on PGI to let you.

There's every motivation - Without it, this game can go suck a k**b.

Competitive play is the only reason I'm here - Sure, I love Mechwarrior, and I think MWO is brilliant, I really do.

But I only love it as a competitive game, just like UT99, 2K4, and every other game I've put significant time into in the past.

The solo and 4-man games most of you play mean nothing to me, I frankly don't care who wins or loses, I don't care who dies, friendly or enemy - I'm only there to get better for the matches, the scrims and league in team vs team play.



If we ever went to pay for setup matches, you would effectively be making this a subscription game for me, and people like me, and I have no time for sub-games - I don't believe in them on principal (it's why I've never played any kind of MMO and never will), so I'd be out the door, and all my purchases gone with me.

[Helbourne]

TOPGUN Viper, on 02 March 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

The TOPGUN Academy will not be paying PGI to play with people we want! This service should be FREE. There should be a lobby that TOPGUN can set up and play with who we want to play with. TOPGUN is the top 1% and we will not play with lesser pilots....

I guess you do not eat much humble pie. Be careful, don't let your EGO get too big, the internet my explode.

[TOPGUN Viper]

Helbourne, on 02 March 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

I guess you do not eat much humble pie. Be careful, don't let your EGO get too big, the internet my explode.

I'm sorry you cannot comprehend the pure fighter pilot skill that is the TOPGUN Academy. We are the BEST of the BEST!! The 1% of the 1%. You cannot gain this skill... You are only born with it. From your post it seems you were not born with this skill. I am sorry for your genetic inadequacy to any TOPGUN pilot. Maybe if you try very very very very very hard you could one day be skilled enough to be killed by a TOPGUN pilot. All that being said, you may be skilled enough to meet us on the volleyball court. We are always looking for fit well oiled men to play some beach volleyball with!!!!

[TOPGUN Wolfman]

*takes his shirt off*
Did someone say VOLLEYBALL?! Grease me up baby!

Viper's ego doesn't write checks his body can't cash. Delicious.

Edited by TOPGUN Wolfman, 02 March 2013 - 11:17 AM.

[Fastidious]

This would kill off competitive play completely. Why? Because all the best teams would be swimming in resources while the worse teams would have to grind to play another competitive match. All the best teams could play as many matches as possible and get even better while the worse teams, who need practice most, would always have to grind to play again. People at the bottom would just quit eventually and it'd keep eating away at the bottom teams until very few teams are left. Charging anything for competitive play is a bad idea especially if the winners get the spoils. The best way to do it would be charge MC to rent servers or register a competitive unit then allow unlimited matches.

Edited by Fastidious, 02 March 2013 - 11:23 AM.