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[EmeraldSongbird]

I know many of you have been complaining about ECMs, Streaks, Cheese builds. Let's face it, they suck, but consider this.

The players that cannot have access to these builds or refuse to play them have an advantage, they are forced to use more skill and, in the end, aren't they forced to be better pilots?

Honestly, before everything about ECM blew up, I decided that it would be fun to just play fair and take a mech I needed skill to play. I can basically play any Commando and make it up to the top spots on the scoreboard now without the use of any streaks.

Before I could not do this, when the netcode was fixed I was horrifed as I was torn apart with ease. But then, I went back and tried again and again and my aim got better and better, my movement got better. Now I can stand a chance against almost anything.

I am not trying to brag, but I am trying to say, isn't it those who do not take advantage of the "OP" equips and builds the ones who gain the true skill at the end of the day?

When the dust settles in beta do you think there will be pilots at a disadvantage because of this?

I am speaking hypothetically, since things may or may not be fixed as we may hope.

THE LIGHT IS NOT A MECH!
I'm arguing the fact that for those who don't take advantage of the items, they are the ones who are forced to adapt to a real battlefield and find counters for mechs with outrageous advantages themselves, so when the netcode is fixed, streaks are maybe fixed and ECM is maybe fixed, they will be the truly skilled pilots leaving Streak and ECM reliant pilots at a disadvantage.

Edited by Doobles, 01 March 2013 - 07:17 AM.

[Magicbullet141]

ecm will hopefully be fixed. sometime this year.

[p00k]

every build that kills me is a cheese build since i'm the best pilot ever but i'm too honorable to run cheese builds so the only way all these inferior pilots can beat me is with cheese builds because they couldn't possibly beat me with a non-cheese build since i'm awesome and only cheese builds can possibly give anyone an advantage over me and my otherwise min-maxed but totally not cheesy builds because i'm a noble and totally uncheesy pilot and clearly not a scrub with an arbitrary set of imaginary rules of proper gaming in my head right?

[Fitzbattleaxe]

The light at the end of the tunnel is a Raven 3L. Fortunately, there's not much room for it to maneuver in the tunnel, so you'll probably be OK.

[Brilig]

What sort of light is at the end of the tunnel?

Still not sure what else they are going to do to balance ECM.

If I remember right there was a promise a while back to have the vision obscuring explosions on missiles turned down, but I don't think we have seen that yet.

[Tickdoff Tank]

"The light at the end of the tunnel" s an oncoming train.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

ECM + SSRMs + Lack of collisions = Bad Light pilots


Believe me, Karma is a huge ***** and will knock these pilots down so many pegs when equipment/ netcode/ weapons/ knockdowns are fixed.


Bide your time light pilots. Darwinism is about to strike.

[Seanamal]

I've always had low ping, usually sub-50ms and frequently sub-30ms. I've never had the benefit of lagshield while piloting a light. So when the netcode fixes started coming in I didn't even notice until I swapped over in to my Atlas. As I've predicted in earlier posts, netcode and lack of collision system has created a pile of bad pilots. When the fixes are fully implemented they will adapt or give up. Either way they will no longer be the problem they are now.

[urmamasllama]

the problem is many builds that aren't even considered cheese are still byproducts of the currently broken mechanics of the games. most viable builds are still based around alpha striking even if they aren't some cheesy weapon stacking build

[Ialti]

Regretted. Gone.

[Eddrick]

It's kind of like the approtch I am taking to the game. The most direct way to get skilled at what I want to use. While also taking into consideration that things like, "Netcode" and "Hitboxs" will work like it's suppose to.

This mostly invalves Sniping with projectile weapons while not depending on sensors at all. I depend on my eyes instead. Like, in every First Person Shooter game I have played.

"Nothing worth while comes easly or quickly."

Edited by Eddrick, 28 February 2013 - 11:09 PM.

[PropagandaWar]

Ecm by itself doesnt bother me coupled with everything else right now yeah it is annoying. That being said especially for people who came in after open beta: knockdowns will be a rude awakeinging coupled with hit detection fixes; and I see bet Ill see more team lights knocking over each other than anything else. You will be eaten.

[urmamasllama]

i can't wait for lineman pretty babys tackling everyone

[Royalewithcheese]

I have gotten better at hitting lights with SRM blasts. Freaking hilarious when you pull it off BTW.

Edited by Royalewithcheese, 28 February 2013 - 11:29 PM.

[Headlessnewt]

Really not sure where you're going with this.

If you're trying to say 'Hey, hey, it's cool, you're learning by losing all the time, don't worry about it,' then kindly punch yourself in whatever reproductive organs you have. You seem like a nice enough person, but that argument leads people to elitism and tolerating a bad product.

If you're trying to just find a light side while we wait for them to clean up balance issues, then, uh, yeah, sure, I guess I'm learning how to hit Lights with a pulse laser, and that Lights are never 'beneath' killing. But that doesn't make 3Ls less obnoxious or me more inclined to tolerate their existences.

Edited by Headlessnewt, 01 March 2013 - 05:02 AM.

[Satan n stuff]

Every light player will be significantly worse once knockdown is back in, especially the ECM abusing ones who tend to fail spectacularly at avoiding damage that's not in the form of homing missiles. I also predict fast assaults curbstomping facehugger mediums and heavies.

[ciller]

Good mediums hug from behind!

[Viper69]

Magicbullet141, on 28 February 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

ecm will hopefully be fixed. sometime this year.

Its really too bad they didnt actually use ECM. Would have been nice to get a correct version of the tech instead of this OP bastardized thing we have now then hope they fix it later.

[Inertiaman]

I find there's more skill in not exposing yourself to LRMs than there is in spending 500,000 cbills in order to ignore them.

[Exodus 2pt0]

I ran a 3l with ssrms, got bored and switched it up with 2 srm6's. Went from averaging 3-400 DPM to 5-800. You can blame yourselves, I figured I'd give the whiners what they want and ditch the "cheese" for a more "honorable" build. Problem for you is, I can aim.