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[Felicitatem Parco]

How would you like a 45-ton Medium that can go ~82kph (90 with the speed tweak) with arm-mounted Energy Hardpoints and Quad StreakSRM2 in the chest (2x SSRM2 in LT, 2x SSRM2 in RT)? You might like the Blackjack BJ2.

Can you say ERPPC + 4xSSRM2...? Just drop the stock ER Large Lasers, and add an ERPPC and more streak ammo. It already has DHS to start with, as a convenience...

It's 20% 10% lighter than a Hunchback, but goes the same stock speed, so it should top out at the same max speed as any hunchback can (which limits it to about 82kph without speed tweak)

Oh, yeah, it has jumpjets.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 03 March 2013 - 10:45 AM.

[Fate 6]

I think what you mean is, ZOMBIEEEEEES.

2 SRM6 in each torso, prepare for pure terror.

[Lefty Lucy]

Since when does a slow medium make a good light mech hunter?

[General Taskeen]

Hey look something else to slap Chee--, I mean Streaks on. Bada-bum.

[ICEFANG13]

Like Streakapults that go 80KPH too?

Did you play around that time or what?

[Felicitatem Parco]

The 4 launcher points are all twin-tube, so you could mount quad SRM56, but it would shoot 3 volleys of 8... kinda useful against Assaults, though.

However, it's the ERPPC/4xSSRM2 that's gonna make some Lights angry, I think, ECM or not..\

Yeah, they didn't confirm the variant, but there are few Blackjacks to choose from...

Edited by Prosperity Park, 03 March 2013 - 10:17 AM.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

The 4 seconds of non-ECM provided by an ERPPC is unlikely to be long enough to maintain a lock on a 150KPH light mech. However I am still excited to see the blackjack, and if history is any indicator it will only have slightly larger hitboxes than it's Jaegermech cousin.

[Targetloc]

There's no compelling reason to use slow light/medium mechs right now.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Targetloc, on 03 March 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

There's no compelling reason to use slow light/medium mechs right now.

90kph barely works for weight-unbalanced matches like the 8-man queue, but all mediums will work fine once weight balancing gets working better in the public queue.

[Lefty Lucy]

Prosperity Park, on 03 March 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

The 4 launcher points are all twin-tube, so you could mount quad SRM56, but it would shoot 3 volleys of 8... kinda useful against Assaults, though.

However, it's the ERPPC/4xSSRM2 that's gonna make some Lights angry, I think, ECM or not..\

Yeah, they didn't confirm the variant, but there are few Blackjacks to choose from...

Those 3 volleys of 8 will be fully accurate out to 270 meters due to the way two-tube launchers path. It would be quite strong. Also, I like having the "ripple launch" effect when fighting lights because you can just sort of fire in the path of the light and they'll get caught by missiles. It's a lot harder to hit with the full volley, but you're a lot less likely to miss entirely as well.

[Yokaiko]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 03 March 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

The 4 seconds of non-ECM provided by an ERPPC is unlikely to be long enough to maintain a lock on a 150KPH light mech. However I am still excited to see the blackjack, and if history is any indicator it will only have slightly larger hitboxes than it's Jaegermech cousin.

Sure it is, add a little target decay and adv sensor range and you can streak that crap out of lights I have a Trencher set up to do just that.

....its damn sure faster than a Hunchback though.

[KKillian]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 03 March 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

The 4 seconds of non-ECM provided by an ERPPC is unlikely to be long enough to maintain a lock on a 150KPH light mech. However I am still excited to see the blackjack, and if history is any indicator it will only have slightly larger hitboxes than it's Jaegermech cousin.

4 seconds is more then enough if ecm is shut down, expecially with a beagle, the delay in targeting is disabled due to the ecm being shut down, its consistantly hitting a light with a ppc over and over that's a pain in the ***, although very doable.

[General Taskeen]

Neekoli, on 03 March 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Not sure if this is just an idea being floated or I'mossing something entirly but if I'm not mistaken there is no BJ2 variant that is confirmed...

I believe BJ-2 is from 3052, it comes standard with 4 Streak 2's (this might come later but not right away). But, anyhoo, I think the variants guessed at in the Mech Lab program are more correct when it is introduced: BJ-1, BJ-1X, BJ-1DB, BJ-1DC, and BJ-3

Prosperity Park, on 03 March 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

The 4 launcher points are all twin-tube, so you could mount quad SRM56, but it would shoot 3 volleys of 8... kinda useful against Assaults, though.

Well initially perhaps, but that's probably gonna change once they update all the Mech models to have the appropriate 3D model of the weapon itself.

[Royalewithcheese]

I think the PPC is a little unreliable for this. On the other hand, if it has ECM, that will be a different story.

(Seriously, I think that if there's one mech the game needs right now it's a medium-speed medium with ECM and SSRMs.)

[Felicitatem Parco]

General Taskeen, on 03 March 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

I believe BJ-2 is from 3052...

Sarna.net says it's in Tech Readout 3050 Upgrade. I can't vouch for it, definitively, though, as I don't have a copy... but that fits the time window.

It won't get ECM, and the arms will be side-locked, so it's toroso-twist rate and angle might make or break this build if you intend on using PPCs.

Edit: aside from Sarna, here's the next-best info i can find on it... everything else I look for just gives me info on the BJ2 OmniMech (a different Mech, altogether)

Edited by Prosperity Park, 03 March 2013 - 10:41 AM.

[Spheroid]

With Star League technology becoming available, techs experimented with refitting the Blackjack. General Motors began to
once more manufacture the design in limited numbers in 3054 when field trials of these experimental units produced promising reports.

TRO 3050:Upgrade pg. 46

Edited by Spheroid, 03 March 2013 - 10:44 AM.

[LordBraxton]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 03 March 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

The 4 seconds of non-ECM provided by an ERPPC is unlikely to be long enough to maintain a lock on a 150KPH light mech. However I am still excited to see the blackjack, and if history is any indicator it will only have slightly larger hitboxes than it's Jaegermech cousin.

my trebuchet proves this false every game, hit with ERPPC, lock on, 6 streaks away, rinse repeat.

if it doesn't kill them it atleast makes them fear you and leave you alone

[Felicitatem Parco]

Spheroid, on 03 March 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

With Star League technology becoming available, techs experimented with refitting the Blackjack. General Motors began to
once more manufacture the design in limited numbers in 3054 when field trials of these experimental units produced promising reports.

TRO 3050:Upgrade pg. 46

If they only introduced the BJ1, BJ1DB, and BJ1DC... that would be a sad waste I think... That would make the BJ nothing more than a weakend centurion... well, the JJs would be nice, I guess, if you're up for poptarting in a Slowish Mech.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 03 March 2013 - 10:49 AM.

[Spheroid]

Prosperity Park, on 03 March 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

If they only introduced the BJ1, BJ1DB, and BJ1DC... that would be a sad waste I think... That would make the BJ nothing more than a weakend centurion... well, the JJs would be nice, I guess, if you're up for poptarting in a Slowish Mech.

Well the random assignment tables in Era Report 3052 list the BJ-2 availble circa 3050, so it must be a somewhat common variant which would be availble for MWO, although more rare than the BJ-1 base variant. We got the Trebuchet-3C in game so I don't see why the BJ-2 is not feasible.

[ferranis]

Its a good mech as long as i can slap 2 uac5 on it... DAKKA DAKKA.