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[Jasen]

So a while back when I still played this game (about 4-5 patches ago or so), well actually before I got disappointed with it... (who knows). Was trying to get my buddy to come play MWO with me and mah peeps...

anyways, just got this random message on skype from him about it, looks like he finally snagged it.

Here is the completely unedited convo (other than the names were replaced) of a brand new player, although he's an oldschool gamer like me, not one of the new COD kids so I guess he isn't target audience.


Anyways, didn't see a "general feedback" or "general discussion" part on the forums so I'm putting it here. Mods, feel free to bury it in some obscure part of the forums if you don't want honest feedback.



Here goes:

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[5:13:03 PM] Steve F: I don't know if i like this mechwarrior online
[5:13:18 PM] Jasen: yea I dont like it either
[5:13:22 PM] Jasen: they ****** it up
[5:13:33 PM] Steve F: I remember playing mechwarrior 2 back in the day
[5:13:35 PM] Steve F: and that was fun
[5:13:37 PM] Jasen: they broke their design pillars, I quit play months ago
[5:13:39 PM] Steve F: this is kinda... boring
[5:13:52 PM] Jasen: you mean assaultwarriordeathmatchonline sucks?
[5:14:08 PM] Jasen: oh.. go tell PGI.. they seem to think all of us that backed their game initially are on an island
[5:14:13 PM] Jasen: 3rd person and ****
[5:14:16 PM] Jasen: its a comedy of errors
[5:14:32 PM] Steve F: can you dismount your mech in this?
[5:14:35 PM] Jasen: no
[5:14:39 PM] Steve F: wtf
[5:14:45 PM] Jasen: yea I know man
[5:14:48 PM] Jasen: no need to tell me
[5:14:50 PM] Steve F: stealing mechs was one of the funnest thing
[5:14:52 PM] Jasen: thus I quit palying months ago
[5:14:59 PM] Jasen: (and didn't continue to try to get you to try it)
[5:15:17 PM] Jasen: since then they've went completely full-******
[5:15:30 PM] Jasen: they are trying to get the COD kiddy crowd
[5:15:39 PM] Jasen: instead of the 30+ old school BT fans crowd
[5:15:49 PM] Jasen: guess we'll see which one has more money
[5:16:04 PM] Steve F: dumb it down you mean?
[5:16:05 PM] Jasen: methinks cod and bf kids will just play cod and bf
[5:16:13 PM] Jasen: yea, they've dumbed it down ridiculously
[5:16:33 PM] Jasen: 3rd person, OP ECM, ridiculous wallhack seismic, nerf everything short range, buff all sniper weapons
[5:16:40 PM] Jasen: limit engines in light mechs
[5:16:47 PM] Jasen: so they cant go too fast for the buig ones to fight solo
[5:16:52 PM] Jasen: etc..
[5:16:55 PM] Jasen: they've completely ****** it over
[5:17:14 PM] Jasen: not worth playing these days
[5:17:16 PM] Steve F: I bet I can find mechwarrior 2 still
[5:17:19 PM] Jasen: $120 legendary founders pack down the drain
[5:17:39 PM] Jasen: now they are just in cash grab mode
[5:17:46 PM] Jasen: cuz they fail at programming and cant fix 6 month old bugs
[5:17:54 PM] Steve F: they need Duke 3D DeathMatch Online
[5:18:00 PM] Steve F: I'd pay $100 to fund that
[5:18:08 PM] Jasen: so every patch is "****** up the balance of something that wasn't broken, added 15 things you can buy, nothing else"
[5:18:22 PM] Jasen: meanwhile...
[5:18:29 PM] Jasen: community warfare almost a year late
[5:18:34 PM] Jasen: UI 2.0 pushed back past "launch"
[5:18:43 PM] Jasen: DX11 support? promised a year ago
[5:18:52 PM] Jasen: 3rd person WILL NEVER BE IN THE GAME
[5:19:01 PM] Jasen: oh wait, 3rd person MAY BE IN THE GAME BUT WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT QUEUS
[5:19:10 PM] Jasen: oh wait, 3rd person is in the game ALL THE SAME QUEUE
[5:19:15 PM] Jasen: thats literal.
[5:19:21 PM] Jasen: went from NEVER!!!
[5:19:24 PM] Jasen: to maybe but seperate
[5:19:29 PM] Jasen: to yes and everyone together
[5:19:31 PM] Steve F: there is 3rd person in there
[5:19:32 PM] Jasen: over 1 year
[5:19:35 PM] Jasen: yea
[5:19:37 PM] Jasen: NOW
[5:19:47 PM] Jasen: so now we can look over ridges and jump snipe like a poptart
[5:20:04 PM] Jasen: and so much for the whole information warfare design pillar
[5:20:20 PM] Jasen: cuz now an assault mech is just as invulnerable as a light mech when they are looking over a mountain
[5:20:30 PM] Jasen: nevermind everything is fuckling HARD COUNTER CITY
[5:20:35 PM] Jasen: ECM is its own ******* counter FFS
[5:20:37 PM] Jasen: so its basically
[5:20:43 PM] Jasen: team that brings most ECM mechs wins
[5:20:48 PM] Jasen: unless you're inside 80m
[5:20:50 PM] Jasen: with bap
[5:20:52 PM] Jasen: cuz yea
[5:21:03 PM] Jasen: bap works 100% at 80m and 0% at 81m
[5:21:09 PM] Jasen: stupid fail **** like that
[5:21:15 PM] Jasen: has completely ruined the game
[5:21:28 PM] Jasen: dont get me stazrted
[5:21:38 PM] Jasen: the game fails, just uninstall and save yourself the trouble
[5:22:14 PM] Jasen: rather than re-balance weapons
[5:22:20 PM] Jasen: (mainly just the 2 sniper weapons)_
[5:22:27 PM] Jasen: they invented rthis ghost heat stacking penalty
[5:22:32 PM] Jasen: so heat is generated from nowhere
[5:22:36 PM] Jasen: if you fire 2 of these weapons
[5:22:38 PM] Jasen: at the same time
[5:22:44 PM] Steve F: yeah I have no idea, I just played the demo maps
[5:22:45 PM] Jasen: but if you wait .5 secs
[5:22:48 PM] Jasen: no ghost heat
[5:22:49 PM] Steve F: and didn't like it
[5:22:55 PM] Jasen: yea, seriously, dont wate your time
[5:22:58 PM] Jasen: cuz once you learn the game
[5:23:03 PM] Jasen: you'll understand its broken at thwe core
[5:23:12 PM] Jasen: and is nothing but a cash grab at this point
[5:26:35 PM] Steve F: you're sexy when you're mad
[5:29:40 PM] Jasen: fu

So my point? Its not the trial mechs.. its not the "OMG I CANT FIGURE OUT HOW TO WALK!?".. its that you've dumbed it down to the point that it is completely boring. And you wasted so much development time on making it boring, that you didn't make it cool.

Just sayin.

[Chemie]

looks like you did most of the talking

[xCico]

You're sexy when you're mad?????

DAFAQQQ

[Jasen]

Chemie, on 09 September 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

looks like you did most of the talking

Interesting thought experiment there too right? One dissatisfied customer can cost you in the long run... (to be fair tho, he said he didn't like it and it was boring before I laid on the hate)

[GRiPSViGiL]

If your still creeping the forums to complain then you still have hope.

For me it is enjoyable aside from what seems to be some hit reg issues at times. I can't wait to see what CW will turn out like.

[Jasen]

GRiPSViGiL, on 09 September 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

If your still creeping the forums to complain then you still have hope.

For me it is enjoyable aside from what seems to be some hit reg issues at times. I can't wait to see what CW will turn out like.

Well, in fairness from my perspective. Seems to be they have made progress in the last few patches judging from the forum temperature... I don't think it is enough progress to bring me back yet (if ever), but I obviously put out $120 for a reason... I liked the concept they originally laid out. If it ever gets there I guess I'll give it a shot. The problem is that I don't think it will... SC inching up on us by the day... (got the hangar thing the other day, pretty sweet looking for an early glance). etc.


But back to your point... yes, still a little hope. But I've always been a dreamer.

[PropagandaWar]

HA. MW2 was a single player experience so you really cant compair. Oh you'll try but you shouldn't. Multiplayer is a lot harder to balance the single player goddem. Also MWO is constantly working on balancing. You seem to have intentionally tried to disuade your friend from playing the game. In all honesty this game seems to be getting harder as they fix thigns. Yeah sure one patch will op things but then over time they adjust it and people cry. 3rd persons all but useless. Ill blow your *** up if whether you use it or not. Uh oh not siesmic. Yeah hopefully they will make it a stand still mod. Wait lets look at zoom now. It seems to be working. Now people are suddenly using all the weapon systems and not just ppc guass. Curse PGI for that one right. Listen to the Bryan interview. Maybe if they spent 3 years behind closed doors like all the other Mechwarrior games and didn't let you see being worked on from the ground up this wouldnt happen. You need to also remember that they had no financial backing to boot. No kickstarter. They went for it. It is by far the best iteration of the Mechwarrior Multiplayer experience there is and you don't have to spend a dime if you enjoy the grind.

ANother thing when it comes to talkin gabout COD kiddies: Ghost heat, Charge up for Guass seems to be making it harder for people so that makes no sense.

Edited by PropagandaWar, 09 September 2013 - 02:53 PM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Jansen,

You realize that you totally convinced your friend not to play, rather than him convincing himself not to play right? I mean all I see if your name over and over griping about something involving the game.

Therefore I am not sure what you point is? I mean it seems like you want to prove that new players hate this game but all your proved is your dislike for the game caused a potential player to decide not to continue with it.

Now don't get me wrong, the point you proved is valid. Word of mouth avertising is a powerful message and if the word of mount is negative, they will lose tons of potential customers just like they did with your friend. This is what alot of us have been trying to tell PGI for a while now but well as you mentioned to your buddy, "We are on an Island" which reminds me, Australia is an island THE SIZE OF A CONTENIENT hehe, maybe that is the island they are talking about.

Anyway, the point is, your buddy didn't decide not to play on his own, you convinced him pretty throughly of how worthless the game was. Alot of new players won't have this commentary and will have to make a decision for them themselves.

[Monky]

Viktor Drake, on 09 September 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

Jansen,

You realize that you totally convinced your friend not to play, rather than him convincing himself not to play right? I mean all I see if your name over and over griping about something involving the game.

I think that was his point, negative press by word of mouth has a lot of influence. People who are pissed off/feel they where lied to etc can easily steer people clear of the game.

[Jasen]

Viktor Drake, on 09 September 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

Jansen,

You realize that you totally convinced your friend not to play, rather than him convincing himself not to play right? I mean all I see if your name over and over griping about something involving the game.

Therefore I am not sure what you point is? I mean it seems like you want to prove that new players hate this game but all your proved is your dislike for the game caused a potential player to decide not to continue with it.

Now don't get me wrong, the point you proved is valid. Word of mouth avertising is a powerful message and if the word of mount is negative, they will lose tons of potential customers just like they did with your friend. This is what alot of us have been trying to tell PGI for a while now but well as you mentioned to your buddy, "We are on an Island" which reminds me, Australia is an island THE SIZE OF A CONTENIENT hehe, maybe that is the island they are talking about.

Anyway, the point is, your buddy didn't decide not to play on his own, you convinced him pretty throughly of how worthless the game was. Alot of new players won't have this commentary and will have to make a decision for them themselves.

Yes and no. This is the kind of guy that takes a ton to even try it... (hello I tried to get him to play this like a year ago and he finally does today) So by him saying its boring... he already made up his mine. He wont be playing it. I laid on after he already said it was boring and he didn't like it. Notice the displeasure in "cant get out of my mech" thing... think they coulda developed that instead of 3PV? Even a basic stupid ability that is pointless.. but at least you CAN GET OUT. yada yada.. thats kinda my closing point of OP. They spent so much time making it suck, they coulda made it awesome.

Also, we are friends now for about... 15+ years. If I dont like the game, he definitely won't - this I know. He trusts my judgement these days on things like this... the way he goes... "Dude, kamui chalk is so worth $30 a cube." and I take his word because he wouldn't say it if it weren't true. The game has glaring game issues... (or at least did, haven't played in a few patches.. I'm sure they're still there tho).

PropagandaWar, on 09 September 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

HA. MW2 was a single player experience so you really cant compair. Oh you'll try but you shouldn't. Multiplayer is a lot harder to balance the single player goddem. Also MWO is constantly working on balancing. You seem to have intentionally tried to disuade your friend from playing the game. In all honesty this game seems to be getting harder as they fix thigns. Yeah sure one patch will op things but then over time they adjust it and people cry. 3rd persons all but useless. Ill blow your *** up if whether you use it or not. Uh oh not siesmic. Yeah hopefully they will make it a stand still mod. Wait lets look at zoom now. It seems to be working. Now people are suddenly using all the weapon systems and not just ppc guass. Curse PGI for that one right. Listen to the Bryan interview. Maybe if they spent 3 years behind closed doors like all the other Mechwarrior games and didn't let you see being worked on from the ground up this wouldnt happen. You need to also remember that they had no fianncial backing to boot. No kickstarter. They went for it. It is by far the best iteration of the Mechwarrior Multiplayer experience there is and you don't have to spend a dime if you enjoy the grind.

ANother thing when it comes to talkin gabout COD kiddies: Ghost heat, Charge up for Guass seems to be making it harder for people so that makes no sense.

So a new player needs to be prepped to understand how to not find the game boring?

[Airic Gryphon]

Just curious what your buddy meant by "demo maps". I assume he was refering to the training ground and tutorials, and if all he's done is walk around shooting stationary mechs then its no wonder he thought the game was boring.

[Sable]

Its funny how much you try to convince him not to play it before he even does anything. How is this post supposed to be insightful? From everything you said in the conversation it just goes to show you're one of those idiots that can't step back and think about how the new features and modules they've added has helped the game.

If you realllllllly insist on your gameplay staying the same and being a completed and well balanced game you probably should have waited til after beta.

As a former League of Legends player the gameplay there from beta to current season 3 has changed dramatically. Its not even the same game anymore. Its the nature of online games to progress to a final well balanced and enjoyable game even if that means sloshing through annoying, difficult, overpowered, underpowered, different and ever changing gameplay experience. If you want to play a super awesomely refined game come back in a year or so.

Some of the things they've done hasn't pleased me personally but i say this without doubt, Mechwarrior today is better than it was yesturday. Its still got a long ways to go but i'll be here for all of it.

Yes i abused Collisions, Yes i abused LRMs when they were bugged, Yes i abused the PPCs to no end, Yes i abused duel AC/20s. Its my job as a beta tester to find and exploit what i can so that when the game comes out it has taken many more steps to becoming a solid title. 3rd person isn't a biggy for me but I understand a lot of people feel very passionate about it. I don't feel lied to because they explained their reasoning for changing their minds. It makes it a better game no matter what you've personally decided.

[PropagandaWar]

394 post in I don't think you find the game boring. Maybe you helped give it a bad presentation. Then again maybe he has a COD mentality and needs to get those 20 respawns so he can get the kill I don't know. Of course not everyone is going to find this game entertaining. Personally Im a BF player over COD. The friends I have still love this game even a year later, bumps and all (we happen to be an adaptive lot though and not to the new meta either). We all have our preferences. But your portion of this seems to be intentionally trying to keep your friend away from the game. Gotta love that heard mentalility.

[Jasen]

PropagandaWar, on 09 September 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

394 post in I don't think you find the game boring. Maybe you helped give it a bad presentation. Then again maybe he has a COD mentality and needs to get those 20 respawns so he can get the kill I don't know. Of course not everyone is going to find this game entertaining. Personally Im a BF player over COD. The friends I have still love this game even a year later, bumps and all (we happen to be an adaptive lot though and not to the new meta either). We all have our preferences. But your portion of this seems to be intentionally trying to keep your friend away from the game. Gotta love that heard mentalility.

You really ought to be careful assuming that anyone that doesn't like this game sucks at it and sucks at gaming in general...

We've both been involved in the deeper side of the scene for 15+ years... surely we learned how to play games by now?

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

I can make up names and have a QQ conversation with my self also.

[Jasen]

Sable, on 09 September 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

it just goes to show you're one of those idiots that can't step back and think about how the new features and modules they've added has helped the game.

Maybe it goes to show that I'm still waiting for them to fix the "features" that they have, and deliver the ones that we were supposed to have 9 months ago.

Funkadelic Mayhem, on 09 September 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

I can make up names and have a QQ conversation with my self also.

Denial... what stage of the grief process is that? #1?

Airic Gryphon, on 09 September 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Just curious what your buddy meant by "demo maps". I assume he was refering to the training ground and tutorials, and if all he's done is walk around shooting stationary mechs then its no wonder he thought the game was boring.

I'll ask when he comes back.. been afk for a bit, prolly wont be around again till tomorrow tho

Edited by Jasen, 09 September 2013 - 02:14 PM.

[PropagandaWar]

Jasen, on 09 September 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

You really ought to be careful assuming that anyone that doesn't like this game sucks at it and sucks at gaming in general...

We've both been involved in the deeper side of the scene for 15+ years... surely we learned how to play games by now?

Where did I say he sucks? Oh that COD respawn mechanic that most games do? That's more of a gratification mass troop gimick than anything. That has nothing to do with sucking. But read it how you want trollheim.Uh oh you pulled a 15+ year gaming card. HA! Got you beat on that one with 30 years of gaming! That must make me a self righteous badass. Don't worry I am sure another fish will come swallow me up with 50 years of gaming in a minute.

[Livewyr]

It looked more like a nagging spouse screaming into the other spouse's ear while he/she just nodded and went "mmhmm" (while thinking "ok..not going to mention that subject again"

[Sable]

Jasen, on 09 September 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Maybe it goes to show that I'm still waiting for them to fix the "features" that they have, and deliver the ones that we were supposed to have 9 months ago.

See there you go again. You automatically think those "features" need to be fixed... meaning changed to what you think they should be. You gotta accept it for what it is. Either its imbalanced and will be tuned or its working like its supposed to and you need to accept it and move on.

Seismic sensor was toned down just like ECM was.
3rd person angle was adjusted in the last patch.
Gauss charge up was added.

Things are still changing you can't just think its {Scrap} and ***** about it for forever. At some point you have to accept it for what it is or move on to another game.

I took a 3 week break from MWO myself because i was tired of PPCs. Well they finally got adjusted and now i'm back full stride enjoying myself again.

[DoktorVivi]

Jasen, on 09 September 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

[5:13:03 PM]
[5:14:32 PM] Steve F: can you dismount your mech in this?
[5:14:35 PM] Jasen: no
[5:14:39 PM] Steve F: wtf
[5:14:45 PM] Jasen: yea I know man
[5:14:48 PM] Jasen: no need to tell me
[5:14:50 PM] Steve F: stealing mechs was one of the funnest thing
[5:14:52 PM] Jasen: thus I quit palying months ago
[5:14:59 PM] Jasen: (and didn't continue to try to get you to try it)
[5:15:17 PM] Jasen: since then they've went completely full-******
[5:15:30 PM] Jasen: they are trying to get the COD kiddy crowd
[5:15:39 PM] Jasen: instead of the 30+ old school BT fans crowd
[5:15:49 PM] Jasen: guess we'll see which one has more money
[5:16:04 PM] Steve F: dumb it down you mean?

You lost me pretty much immediately when you complained you couldn't dismount and steal mechs, while simultaneously lamenting that PGI was abandoning the '30+ old school BT fans crowd.'

Edited by DoktorVivi, 09 September 2013 - 02:42 PM.