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[Valleye]

Even before the module is available I hate coolant flush. I am not going to get into the P2W debate. There is enough of that going around. I have not ever stuck around in a F2P game long enough before MWO.

Consider the physics of a heatsink. It is physically connected to the device creating heat. This connection is a highly thermal conductive medium. Some metal or ferrofuturamic material. It could also be a thermally conductive fluid, oil, water, aquafuturamic, a coolant.

If you flush coolant you expel the coolant and the thermal energy it collected rapidly. You have to replace that coolant or your systems efficiency is reduced, repeat enough and the system stops working all together.

I personally think that the ruggedness of a battlemech heatsink would preclude a liquid cooling system. That is why mechs use myomer fibre muscles and not hydraulics.

So for this system to work, the coolant flush system must have a reservoir of coolant that it can replace the heat loaded coolant you just flushed. Dumping loaded coolant and not replacing it with fresh air temp coolant would not reduce your operating temperature even if the system was large enough to compensate for the lose of fluid.

The system should have a permanent cost or risk for the match. Beyond the module it takes.

A crit slot that could be hit. I hit before use it will disabl the flush or if hit after use it damags a heatsink.

I hate gimmicks and coolant flush is a gimmick. So if I had my way drop the feature.
As dor air strike and Artillery, I have no qualms with these.

[Syllogy]

It's a 1 shot 35% reduction... Is that really OMGWTF-OP?

[Signal27]

Valleye, on 05 March 2013 - 07:29 AM, said:

Consider the physics of a heatsink.

Sure, after I'm done considering the physics of a 40 ton bipedal war machine several stories tall hurtling through a city at 150kph.

[Joseph Mallan]

The OP didn't say it is OP. he just doesn't like the implied mechanics of it's implementation.

[Adridos]

Syllogy, on 05 March 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

It's a 1 shot 35% reduction... Is that really OMGWTF-OP?

You've never palyed MW4, have you?

6 PPC Stalker is punny in comparison those monsters could pop-tart into you, effectively instagibbing you at the current armor values and then simply... flush the coolant and do it to someone else.

[Biglead]

Maybe the modules should be 1 ton to simulate the weight of the coolant. That polar bear looks to be about 1 ton so it makes sense.

[Syllogy]

Adridos, on 05 March 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

You've never palyed MW4, have you?

6 PPC Stalker is punny in comparison those monsters could pop-tart into you, effectively instagibbing you at the current armor values and then simply... flush the coolant and do it to someone else.

Except... oh wait... MW4 wasn't 1-and-done Coolant Flush, was it?

[JadePanther]

this is whats needed for these coolant flush threads

[Valleye]

Syllogy, on 05 March 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

It's a 1 shot 35% reduction... Is that really OMGWTF-OP?

Syllogy,

Seriously, I dont think you read my post. I respect your opinion please give me the same respect. I did not say it was OP. I just dont like the feature because we have no counter. Make a crit for it and I shut up.

V.

[William Petersen]

Adridos, on 05 March 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

You've never palyed MW4, have you?

6 PPC Stalker is punny in comparison those monsters could pop-tart into you, effectively instagibbing you at the current armor values and then simply... flush the coolant and do it to someone else.

You never played MW2, did you?

[FupDup]

Coolant flush is a bad idea in general because it's a "get out of jail free card" for people bad at managing their heat.

However, I could put up with it better if It was a physical object that occupied 1 critical slot in all body locations and some tonnage as well (maybe 0.5 tons per body part for 3.5 tons total dedicated to the unit?).

Edited by FupDup, 05 March 2013 - 07:43 AM.

[hammerreborn]

Oh look this thread is so fresh and topical and in no way breaking the CoC.

In b4 lock/merge

[JadePanther]

Valleye, on 05 March 2013 - 07:38 AM, said:

Syllogy,

Seriously, I dont think you read my post. I respect your opinion please give me the same respect. I did not say it was OP. I just dont like the feature because we have no counter. Make a crit for it and I shut up.

V.

While i'm just trying to get laughs outta these coolant flush threads.. This actually seems like one of the few reasonable thoughts about it..

Lets take it a step further... Its not a module.. Make it a mounted pod. And as a mounted piece of equipment it will have to take up space and weight.. 1-2 tons for the Pod. another 2-3 for the coolant. Refill costs after usage. Since it's external It gets very little armor value making it a crit magnet.

This would give plenty of trade off to the advantages.. would sound fair to me

[LordDante]

[Valleye]

LordDante +1 you win my thread award.

[stjobe]

If the heat system wasn't so broken, we wouldn't even need the crutch of Coolant Flush.

3050-era ways of cooling a 'mech above what its heat sinks are rated for is either to
1) submerge it in water, or
2) hook it up to a Coolant Truck and flush the cooling system.

In about ten years (3061) there will also be
3) Coolant Pods that weigh 1 ton, take a crit slot, and can explode to do internal damage.

Those three alternatives are good. Coolant Flushes as a module is a non-canon abomination, at least to this old Mechwarrior's mind.

Edited by stjobe, 05 March 2013 - 07:52 AM.

[Rat of the Legion Vega]

Besides the fact they'll make certain builds like PPC Stalkers even more annoying and common, imagine before EVERY battle having to go in to the mechlab, module tab, drag and drop over a coolant module, then confirm you want to pay with MC, wait for it to save. Sometimes you'll inevitably forget. Even when you don't it's a hastle.

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Edited by Rat of the Legion Vega, 05 March 2013 - 08:05 AM.

[Valleye]

Rat, this is not a P2W thread.

[Rat of the Legion Vega]

Valleye, on 05 March 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

Rat, this is not a P2W thread.

P2W was not the gist of my post. I'm talking about the inconvenience of having to replace a module slot before every match. I'll amend the one P2W comment though.