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[and zero]

Why is there no AMS on the new cicada hero? I know its not a huge deal. But it can be quite helpful for fighting those pesky streak ravens. And especially if it gets a needed buff in the future. Unless I am missing one it is the only mech without AMS currently?

[AnnoyingCat]

Now you gotta eat all those incoming missiles. Yum yum yum

[Terror Teddy]

and zero, on 05 March 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

Why is there no AMS on the new cicada hero? I know its not a huge deal. But it can be quite helpful for fighting those pesky streak ravens. And especially if it gets a needed buff in the future. Unless I am missing one it is the only mech without AMS currently?

Because it drops the M3's ballistic point, Ams and ECM option for:
-X2 missile slots
-Endo Steel
-Ferro Fibrous Armor
-Cash Bonus

I mean, seriously - and it's only 2 mil more in C-bills.

[Fut]

Isn't the X-5 pretty fast?
Careful piloting should be enough to avoid most missiles.

[Terror Teddy]

Fut, on 05 March 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

Isn't the X-5 pretty fast?
Careful piloting should be enough to avoid most missiles.

Only 10 points more than the 3M

[Chrithu]

To be honest: After doing the first testruns on my SRM 6 build I have to admit that no AMS is just a fair deal. That thing can go super fast on speed tweak and packs a pretty hefty punch. 46 Alpha damage on a 40t mech is something that cracks open other mediums and even some heavies quite easily upon the first shot. And after that you are just gone again while your team finishes them off.

And god help any assault you catch unguarded from behind.

No AMS forces you to use cover and play smart and patient. Which should be your approach on lights anyways now that you can be hit.

Edited by Jason Parker, 05 March 2013 - 01:04 PM.

[FrostCollar]

Terror Teddy, on 05 March 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

Only 10 points more than the 3M

My 3M's already fast enough to get to cover with ECM in counter already.

Really, cover and ECM are the superior LRM counters these days and AMS is nearly useless against SSRMs. I'm not overly concerned about the lack of AMS - that's valuable space and tonnage I could use elsewhere.

[Hamm3r]

I've played a couple of games with mine, not really needed IMO.

[and zero]

Firstly, I thought the x-5 was the same speed as all the others?

Second, I am not complaining, just noting the difference and asking for some opinions. And I agree, AMS is largely useless right now. That is why I said it would mainly only bother me if in the future they give AMS the boost it kinda needs.

[Voridan Atreides]

AnnoyingCat, on 05 March 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

Now you gotta eat all those incoming missiles. Yum yum yum

Even with AMS you will still be eating most of those missiles.

[von Pilsner]

and zero, on 05 March 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

That is why I said it would mainly only bother me if in the future they give AMS the boost it kinda needs.

What buff does AMS need?

[and zero]

von Pilsner, on 05 March 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

What buff does AMS need?

A buff that makes it less worthless?

Voridan Atreides, on 05 March 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Even with AMS you will still be eating most of those missiles.

This.

Edited by and zero, 05 March 2013 - 01:15 PM.

[von Pilsner]

How many LRMs should a single AMS shoot down?

[GRIMM11]

Terror Teddy, on 05 March 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

Only 10 points more than the 3M

Then with speed tweak that thing will be flying, im so happy there is no ECM. AMS I really dont use either, I dont like it giving away my position.

[Clay Pigeon]

1/s

[and zero]

GRIMM11, on 05 March 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

Then with speed tweak that thing will be flying, im so happy there is no ECM. AMS I really dont use either, I dont like it giving away my position.

Forgive me here, but i thought it was the same exact speed??

[GRIMM11]

and zero, on 05 March 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Forgive me here, but i thought it was the same exact speed??

I havent been able to look it up myself, but stock cicada's I recall running at 129 kph?

[Grey Ghost]

All of them can mount up to a 340, this one just so happens to come with a 330.

[Voidsinger]

I have to agree with and Zero here.

While the AMS is largely useless, it is the first and currently only mech without that option.

It makes speed the only defence against LRMs.

The removal of the AMS option wasn't compensated for by an extra module slot. Nor can it carry ECM.

XL, ES,DHS and FF included in the price were nice, but can be bought anyway. Lacking AMS option cannot be later worked around.