14 replies to this topic

[BoPop]

so this guy says in game that ferrous is only lighter but doesn't offer more protection, and i could have sworn i heard others say the same thing.

the description says ferrous gives 12% more protection per ton but takes up slots.

this would mean 10 tons of standard would give a paltry 320 pnts of armor while ferrous would give a ... whopping 358.4 points of armor. am i wrong? what am i missing... are these guys just noob know it all's confusing endosteel with ferrous? or am i the noob? wazzaaaap

[Roughneck45]

Don't get Ferro.

The "more protection" actually means more per ton, not more armor. Ferro is just a weight saving upgrade that is not as good as endo.

Always get endo before getting ferro. Only get ferro if you can make use of it with endo (which is pretty much only light mechs and a select few other builds.)

Edited by Roughneck45, 06 March 2013 - 07:17 AM.

[Thejuggla]

Ya it gives you the same max armor, just weights less. I think every upgrade is worth it except FF

[Shae Starfyre]

It's reverse logic. You get the same amount of Armor, but reduce the tonnage required, which takes up space.

Used mostly in light and medium builds, and the off chance that a specific heavy might want it to accomplish a unique build. Assault, probably, never take this, using endo exclusively.

Endo works the same way, but with more of a decrease in tonnage for the same number of armor points.

[Yokaiko]

Ferro is only worth it if you both have the slots free and then don't have enough weight to cap on standard armor.

[Thirdstar]

Ferro is a weight saving measure, nothing more (at the cost of crit slots). You can never have more armor than the max allowed on the chassis.

[zhajin]

yeah it gives more armor points by ton, but does not increase your maximum point value... thus it is really a weight savings (an a poor one at that) and will not allow you to go beyond max armor.

game wise it would be much more compelling and allow for more variation if it increased your max armor.

[WolvesX]

NEVER BUY FERRO! NEVER!

Not totaly true though, but you should really know what you are doing, if you buy it, so don't buy it!

[Yokaiko]

zhajin, on 06 March 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

yeah it gives more armor points by ton, but does not increase your maximum point value... thus it is really a weight savings (an a poor one at that) and will not allow you to go beyond max armor.

game wise it would be much more compelling and allow for more variation if it increased your max armor.

4% over standard would be hard to swallow on 99% of mech at 14 crit slots for it. particularly when you have endo and XL engines for weight savings.

[BoPop]

huh, ok i guess i wont sweat ferro then.

kinda weird to make it virtually pointless/useless

[Havyek]

Yokaiko, on 06 March 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

4% over standard would be hard to swallow on 99% of mech at 14 crit slots for it. particularly when you have endo and XL engines for weight savings.

Both of which save you more weight than Ferro does.

However, on some light/medium designs I've found that combining Ferro with Endo gives me some decent builds that I couldn't get otherwise.

[Roughneck45]

BoPop, on 06 March 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

huh, ok i guess i wont sweat ferro then.

kinda weird to make it virtually pointless/useless

Yup.

Thats just how it has been forever though. Very specalized upgrade.

Edited by Roughneck45, 06 March 2013 - 07:27 AM.

[Kousagi]

BoPop, on 06 March 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

huh, ok i guess i wont sweat ferro then.

kinda weird to make it virtually pointless/useless

Well, right now we can only have the IS early version of FF. Clan's FF however is nice, since both their endo and FF only take 7 slots each. Makes it much more useable.

[Yokaiko]

BDU Havoc, on 06 March 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Both of which save you more weight than Ferro does.

However, on some light/medium designs I've found that combining Ferro with Endo gives me some decent builds that I couldn't get otherwise.

I have heavies (two I think) rocking FF, both work well enough. But they are also outliers.

[Royalewithcheese]

It's good for some robots. Like AFAIK most 3-L builds run ferro. But yeah, only put it on if you've got crit slots to burn and need a few tons really badly.