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[Aidan McRae]

Garth, et al -

What you've done is proven, once again, that what you say is not actually what you mean. When you say you have dropped the idea of Coolant flushes permanently and then, half a year later, without any warning, add them into a game you show you are hypocrites.

I do not want to play a game made by hypocrites. Makes me feel like you are money-grubbing, which I don't think you probably are.

Please make the game what you promised once upon a time, with interesting skill trees, CW and commanders being the only ones able to drop Air or Arty strikes. AND Coolant flushes a thing of SINGLE PLAYER GAMES PAST -- like you, yourselves have said.

Find other ways to get your money. There are many suggestions we've posted here. Take our advice. Or just say you're hard up for money and allow for donations. Or new Founders, or some such.

Right now, the path you are on is one that has me using up my MC and then either calling it quits or only playing for Cbills. I supported you once, make me want to support you again. Please. For both of our sakes.

[Adrienne Vorton]

Aidan McRae, on 04 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Please make the game what you promised once upon a time, with interesting skill trees, CW and commanders being the only ones able to drop Air or Arty strikes. AND Coolant flushes a thing of SINGLE PLAYER GAMES PAST -- like you, yourselves have said.

thx

[Badconduct]

The #1 pinned topic is "What would you pay for?"

And that shall dictate the games future.

[Theevenger]

Aidan McRae, on 04 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Garth, et al -

What you've done is proven, once again, that what you say is not actually what you mean. When you say you have dropped the idea of Coolant flushes permanently and then, half a year later, without any warning, add them into a game you show you are hypocrites.

I do not want to play a game made by hypocrites. Makes me feel like you are money-grubbing, which I don't think you probably are.

Please make the game what you promised once upon a time, with interesting skill trees, CW and commanders being the only ones able to drop Air or Arty strikes. AND Coolant flushes a thing of SINGLE PLAYER GAMES PAST -- like you, yourselves have said.

Find other ways to get your money. There are many suggestions we've posted here. Take our advice. Or just say you're hard up for money and allow for donations. Or new Founders, or some such.

Right now, the path you are on is one that has me using up my MC and then either calling it quits or only playing for Cbills. I supported you once, make me want to support you again. Please. For both of our sakes.

Oh grow up, they just gave us some of the absolute coolest news EVER, and this is all you had to say to them?

Good job, PGI. Don't worry about this wet blanket. I told my friend about the patch notes for tomorrow and he is reinstalling the game client as we speak.

[Aidan McRae]

Badconduct, on 04 March 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

The #1 pinned topic is "What would you pay for?"

And that shall dictate the games future.

True...ish. If they aren't money-grubbing, they won't pick the ones that are absurd and lowest common denominator. They'll pick the ones that enhance or do not affect gameplay. Rather than the ones that drive people away *cough* *cough* my post.

Adrienne Vorton, on 04 March 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

thx

You're welcome!

[Aidan McRae]

Theevenger, on 04 March 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

Oh grow up, they just gave us some of the absolute coolest news EVER, and this is all you had to say to them?

Good job, PGI. Don't worry about this wet blanket. I told my friend about the patch notes for tomorrow and he is reinstalling the game client as we speak.

Wait. Please tell me how this news is cool?

As to your second part: I do not want players -- who've left -- racing back to the game BECAUSE it's becoming CoD with big stompy robots. If you think all that matters is the net gain of players to the game, then I'll be one leaving as your friend walks in. So, net zero.

If you just meant that *all* the patch notes brought your friend back, great. Because there are some great things happening with the patches, but the one I'm talking about is a bad, bad thing.

Oh, and why does ECM still do so much for 1.5 tons? <-- I'd love a dev response to that. Not that it's 'working as intended' or 'balanced.' No. Why is it the best usage for 1.5 tons on any Mech. Why does that make sense to the Devs. Please, Garth or Brian or someone, please tell me.

[focuspark]

Theevenger, on 04 March 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

Oh grow up, they just gave us some of the absolute coolest news EVER, and this is all you had to say to them?

Good job, PGI. Don't worry about this wet blanket. I told my friend about the patch notes for tomorrow and he is reinstalling the game client as we speak.

uh... you sir "grow up". PGI has just taken what was arguably the best F2P game available and made it, just slightly, P2W. The fact that the new modules are lame is foot note in the discussion, the real problem (at least for me) is that these new consumable modules are going to be necessary because without them player with them will have a significant advantage over you.

Problem #1: new must have item added, this just reeks of unbalanced design

The second, and arguably larger, issue is that the best version of the module is only available to purchase with real money. This means players without means or willingness to spend real money are automatically inferior to players with the means and the will. This may be how real life works, but it is not how Western MMO survive.

Problem #2: real money expenditure gives an advantage that cannot be matches without the real money expenditure

The least annoying, but still rather annoying - go Paul - is that PGI just added mana potions to MW:O. It's ******* World of WarCraft now... I want my Nightmare!

Problem #3: consumable items have been added to a game the completely lacks the concept and said items mimic the fantasy genre far too closely.

[Elder Thorn]

Theevenger, on 04 March 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

Oh grow up, they just gave us some of the absolute coolest news EVER, and this is all you had to say to them?

Good job, PGI. Don't worry about this wet blanket. I told my friend about the patch notes for tomorrow and he is reinstalling the game client as we speak.

the problem here is, that they said there won't be coolant flush in this game ever a while ago.
Now otu of the heavens they changed that along with that Airstrike for commanders stuff.

What else will they suddenly change in the future, while founders gave them money for the product they described BACK THEN.
Of course, during development things change but they made a straight up lie about something. Remember when they said that new players will get 1 mech? Helloooo Trial garbages. Remember when they said there won't be Pay2Win and even removed RnR because so many people claimed it was p2w? Hellooooo Tier 3 consumables. (yeah t1 + t2 = t3, but t3 = 1 slot, t1+t2 = 2 slots)

Coolant flush itself isn't the problem, at least not for me. It's the attitude behind it. The tier system is... not optimal IMO and i can't know what else they will suddenly change out of the sky. But well... they said RnR is gone for good, maybe there is hope...

[Das Wudone]

ECM as in canon is 1.5 tons and will continue to be that weight only. the biggest issue in changing its weight is that stock configs of mechs that mount the thing will have to change their overall tonnage as well. what needs to be addressed 1st is the missile balancing before they rebalance ECM.

and now thats out of the way... adding coolant flush as a consumable and can be bought by MC is a VERYxinfinite BAD IDEA. like many have said and i totally agree with their thoughts, it is P2W. it will definitely make energy boaters more powerful (multiple ppc mechs especially). ppl who can afford it thru MC will buy loads of it just to win.

[Tharkan Stuermer]

Das Wudone, on 04 March 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

ECM as in canon is 1.5 tons and will continue to be that weight only. the biggest issue in changing its weight is that stock configs of mechs that mount the thing will have to change their overall tonnage as well. what needs to be addressed 1st is the missile balancing before they rebalance ECM.

The MWO-ECM exceeds the capabilities of the canon ECM by far, though. The piece of crap is seriously overpowered, and absolutely has to be nerfed instantly! There aren't any consumables, which possibly could be as imbalanced as this idiotic piece of equipment is right now!

[Aidan McRae]

Das Wudone, on 04 March 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

ECM as in canon is 1.5 tons and will continue to be that weight only. the biggest issue in changing its weight is that stock configs of mechs that mount the thing will have to change their overall tonnage as well. what needs to be addressed 1st is the missile balancing before they rebalance ECM.

That wasn't what I implied. I am never in favor of changing tonnage or slots on any equipment. As close to TT as possible is what I want, especially when you CAN. What I want is a balancing of powers to fall in line with other 1.5 ton equipment. And adding 'balances' like PPC temporary knockout is not what I mean. I mean a scaling back of ECM powers or limitations, or anything that makes it a piece of equipment that you choose because of design, not because of necessity.

Das Wudone, on 04 March 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

and now thats out of the way... adding coolant flush as a consumable and can be bought by MC is a VERYxinfinite BAD IDEA. like many have said and i totally agree with their thoughts, it is P2W. it will definitely make energy boaters more powerful (multiple ppc mechs especially). ppl who can afford it thru MC will buy loads of it just to win.

We definitely agree here.

[HammerSwarm]

Pay to win is bad. If they are hard up for cash they should work to offer more things people buy already rather than introducing teir 3 consumables for the kiddies with mommie's credit card. I would love a founder's round 2 (different founder's mechs, forum tags) I would love a clan founder's package. I am sure they can do other things to raise money.

[sycocys]

I guess I'm most disappointed they implemented some stupid sh like this, while refusing to address known issues for yet another month. From cb up until mid-jan I couldn't be pulled away from the game in my free time, and with the recent decisions and direction of the game I have a hard time convincing myself to even boot the game.

[Arcaist]

So much whine...and the patch isn´t even active yet.

Simple solution for your problem: Don´t play the game anymore, or just don´t buy that stuff. The end-of-month bill will show PGI if they are on the right path or not.

But PLEASE...stop that pathetic drama queen whine....

[Aidan McRae]

Arcaist, on 05 March 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

So much whine...

But PLEASE...stop that pathetic drama queen whine....

Why does everyone think disagreement or dissatisfaction is whining? Arcaist, you do realize that by trolling like you just did, you derail any real chance at discourse and discussion. Don't post unless you have something to contribute.

It just seems like you want to whine about perceived whining...

[sycocys]

I've gone from a hundred + games a week to maybe 2 dozen in the past 3 weeks combined. I might log on long enough to see the desert map and test how poorly implemented the state-rewind has been done, but I really have lost most of my interest in the game directly due to developer actions/inaction's.

In my opinion with the turn of the new year, something has really gotten sour with the direction and leadership of this game and it's driving me away. Nearly to a point of turning away completely, but Mechwarrior has always been one of my favorite games, it's just sad that they don't take their testers seriously.

[blinkin]

Aidan McRae, on 05 March 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Why does everyone think disagreement or dissatisfaction is whining? Arcaist, you do realize that by trolling like you just did, you derail any real chance at discourse and discussion. Don't post unless you have something to contribute.

It just seems like you want to whine about perceived whining...

we have whineception.

[Fut]

Aidan McRae, on 04 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Find other ways to get your money. There are many suggestions we've posted here. Take our advice. Or just say you're hard up for money and allow for donations. Or new Founders, or some such.

Something like this would be great!
I'm one of the folk who came to MW:O a bit late, meaning after it opened up. If I had known about the game sooner, I would have dropped the money to get a Founder's 'Mech and support the game.

There have been a few times now that I've seen people stating the same thing around the forums, so if the Devs did bring in a second round of "Founder's Accounts", I'm sure they'd make a butt-load of money from it.

[Gallowglas]

Elder Thorn, on 04 March 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

the problem here is, that they said there won't be coolant flush in this game ever a while ago.

What was actually said was that they considered it and then dropped it. That's not exactly the same as an ironclad promise that it will never see the game in any form.

Mind you, I'm not sold on their current proposed implementation, either from a balance perspective, nor from a pay-versus-free perspective. I've said as much in the feedback thread. I proposed yesterday that we wait and see how it was implemented before reacting and now I do think it's justified to offer constructive feedback based on what we know. We just need to take the hyperbole down a notch.

[Hobietime]

Have you thought that maybe it's not PGI but IGP?

IGP is just like every publisher. They are the ones who monetize the game, not PGI. I am pretty sure this is something from them, not PGI.