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[Royalewithcheese]

Butane9000, on 13 March 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

(edit, did not count in 2xAC20 or 2xGauss builds because cheese and the catapult is more fit to those builds with better survivability).

Catapult can't put an XL engine in with the AC/40 tho. Dualguass I think there's a case to be made for each of the three main heavies.

Also, fun fact re: "cheesiness" of putting big ballistics on the Jagermech, there's an official dualguass variant - the JM6-DG

[Royalewithcheese]

TheMadTypist, on 13 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

I am trying to find a compromise that keeps me in the spirit of the jagermech, and I am having a difficult time finding one that isn't an under-armored, under-armed, overheating deathtrap. Ironic, for a mech that was one of the few in TT that was heat-neutral while not moving at stock.

Well, it is unfortunately asymmetrical, but have you considered a 3xUAC5, 2xSLas/2xMLas build? Nice heat, very effective at range, good panic button if enemies get close, good at everything a Jagermech is supposed to be good at, very similar to official loadouts.

[Fishbulb333]

[Cache]

Tickdoff Tank, on 13 March 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

I plan on trying to squeeze in 4 LB10Xs for at least a couple of drops. I know it will not be effective, but the chance at 4 LBXs is just something that I have to try at least once.

6 crits per LB10-X, 10 open crits in each arm. Good luck with that.

[Rayah]

quad AC/2...

[OneEyed Jack]

Butane9000, on 13 March 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

(edit, did not count in 2xAC20 or 2xGauss builds because cheese and the catapult is more fit to those builds with better survivability).

Gauss, maybe. The arms on the Jager put the firing point higher, relative to the top of the mech, than the ballistic points on a Cat. Easier to shoot off than the torso of a Cat, but less chance of killing you if they do explode. Overall, I'd say it's pretty close. The ability to run double Gauss with missiles might put the JM6-A over the top.

AC20, no. 20-Cat is tough, and has the Cat torso twist, but is slow as hell. I look forward to being able to try the build out and have AC40 that can actually move as fast/faster than an Atlas.

What I find amusing is all the people claiming they'll play all these builds that are completely un-workable. 4xUAC? 4xLB-X? The Ilya can barely hold 3 of either and it has 5 more tons to work with.

[Bishop Steiner]

Smart pilots will. I guarantee there will be a mad rush to slap ultras, gauss, ac/20s, etc on it. But I run the stock JM6-S arsenal as my primary weapon arrangement for my 'Phraxt-4X. It seems, on paper, a little lackluster. But the sustainable damage is a veritable buzzsaw. Easily controllable heat, great range, no jams, and the lasers can add that extra oomph when you need a hard alpha.

I plan specifically to use the upgrades for DHS, better armor and a much deeper ammo reserve. Armament wise, it's pretty much perfection already.

[OneEyed Jack]

Fishbulb333, on 13 March 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

Jaggermech pic

Awesome.

Rayzor, on 13 March 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

quad AC/2...

CTF4-X could already do that. It's not terribly effective since they nerfed the cockpit shake. You could argue that the Jager could go faster, but good luck with that considering the weight of weapons, sufficient ammo, and all the HS it takes to cool those things and not gimping armor.

[Felicitatem Parco]

The Stock loadout is tempting, but low on armor and ammo... HOWEVER, you can shave-off 3.25 tons with EndoSteel, and convert to DHS with no hindrance (since they're all engine HS, anyways). That's at least 1 tons ammo for each a/c platform and then 1.25 tons armor.. then, if you dare, go to XL and you'll free up much more.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 13 March 2013 - 06:01 PM.

[TheForce]

LOL!

we're playing MinmaxWarrior Online, BRO.

[Sierra19]

Just put endo on it, and you can take another ton or two of ammo. Nothing wrong with dual AC 2's and AC 5's. Remember, the Jamgermech is a support mech, standing back and picking off targets at distance, not a front line brawler, but I'll experiment with the JM6-S when it some out.

[Royalewithcheese]

Yeah, I think stock guns could fit on this thing - it's basically the same total weight as the "big ballistic" builds. The versions of those I've been messing around with all feature the XL280, so you might be able to fit that on your robot for ~70-77 KPH. Personally I'm not super wild about 7 heat per second, but to each their own. Non-standardized ammo might be a pain tho.

[Butane9000]

Royalewithcheese, on 13 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Catapult can't put an XL engine in with the AC/40 tho. Dualguass I think there's a case to be made for each of the three main heavies.

Also, fun fact re: "cheesiness" of putting big ballistics on the Jagermech, there's an official dualguass variant - the JM6-DG

Oh I'm aware of the dual Gauss Jagermech.

[Royalewithcheese]

Butane9000, on 13 March 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

Oh I'm aware of the dual Gauss Jagermech.

Those cheesing Inner Sphere pilots! It's almost as bad as Jenny Templeton's Splatterbee or that PPC boat monstrosity they call the Awesome

Edited by Royalewithcheese, 13 March 2013 - 06:23 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Royalewithcheese, on 13 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Also, fun fact re: "cheesiness" of putting big ballistics on the Jagermech, there's an official dualguass variant - the JM6-DG

Everything in BattleTech is a cheese build... Hunchback-4G can 1-shot a Commando in the chest, a single Gauss to the head is insta-fatal for every Mech in the game, "through-armor-criticals..." Need I say more?

I think the dual AC/20 Jager will almost always built on an XL Frame, otherwise people would be putting those cannons in Catapults with the secure, tucked side torsos. The JagerArms are gonna be targeted like SplattaEars.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 13 March 2013 - 06:33 PM.

[Monky]

I can't see any reason to keep them, I'd either do 2x2 AC2 or AC20's. throw an XL in, upgrade the energy weaponry, commence to pew pew.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Cache, on 13 March 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

6 crits per LB10-X, 10 open crits in each arm. Good luck with that.

Dang. For some reason I was thinking that the LBX was 5 slots instead of 6. Oh well.

[Royalewithcheese]

Prosperity Park, on 13 March 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

I think the dual AC/20 Jager will almost always built on an XL Frame, otherwise people would be putting those cannons in Catapults with the secure, tucked side torsos. The JagerArms are gonna be targeted like SplattaEars.

Yeah - those March 20th rage threads are gonna be hilarious btw