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#21 jeffsw6

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 01:54 PM

Just to comment on your i7 gtx680 vs 30" display post, I think a really good monitor is a better investment than a really good computer. I have had the same Dell 30" display for at least 8 years but I've upgraded my computer twice in that time; and I am thinking about upgrading it again soon.

A good monitor will probably still be good in 5 or 10 years. Not so for a top-end video card.

EDIT: To provide some specifics, my gaming PC is a Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2GHz with 8GB RAM and a GTX460. The "Windows Experience Index" is 6.9. That is basically two or three generations out-of-date. However, it plays MWO very well.

I am a little tempted to upgrade but honestly I think a good joystick or other kind of game controller would be more of an addition to my gaming experience than a better video card, CPU, whatever. There are plenty of ways to spend money on your gaming PC without actually spending it on the PC. :lol:

Edited by jeffsw6, 16 March 2013 - 02:04 PM.


#22 Dreadnought13

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:29 PM

does nobody snipe with an advanced zoom installed?

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:35 PM

I agree with that entirely.

Of course, it depends on what you're doing, but I have yet to find a game my rig can't handle with maxed settings.

Phenom 2 965be (oc'd to 4ghz) and a single 7850 oc'd to 1050/1400 as shown in the pics (making it essentially a 7870)

Yeah, an i7 can beat the pants off it, but to what end? Other than post processing being turned off for clarity(no difference in fps) I sit comfortably at 45-60fps.

7.9 windows experience index, silly as that is.

A good monitor is amazing, and will last through many PC's. They really make a huge difference. Not in fps of course but in image quality.

View PostDreadnought13, on 16 March 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

does nobody snipe with an advanced zoom installed?
good god no. Why? Look at my screen shots. I actually have advanced zoom installed, but I don't use it. Makes things look worse. I can post a shot with it on if you want, but it's a mess. There's no need though - you can clearly pick components on the awesome at 1500m as is.

#24 Valdemaar

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:41 PM

Personally, when I'm in the mood to snipe I'm almost always in thermal vision. I pick out one of the more stationary blobs in the distance and keep picking at him. If there is movement I compensate and fire again. It's less about actually seeing the guy's body as much as it is figuring out trajectory (for ballistics) and moving evenly.

#25 El Death Smurf

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

View PostDreadnought13, on 16 March 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

does nobody snipe with an advanced zoom installed?

i used to with thermal vision, but recently leading targets with advanced zoom module is terrible since the targeting square wont line up properly until you have the target dad center. pretty lame. Yes the already busted zoom window has gotten worse.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 02:57 PM

View Posttuokaerf, on 16 March 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

I can't accurately tear off arms with ER PPCs across the map but I can pinpoint side and center torsos for most mechs from 1,000 yards, especially if they're standing still or moving in a straight line.

You learn the body shapes and can tell at known distances where to aim. Try it out on the Testing Grounds at 200, 500, 700, and 1,000 meters or so.


Pretty much this. At a distance, I might not be able to make out everything perfectly, but I know the shapes of all the mechs by heart. If I can tell you're piloting something with obvious targets, like a catapult, I can tag specific areas pretty easily.

#27 tuokaerf

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

Another fun tactic if you want to be a ****, try to leg mediums and lights with 6 ER PPCs from 1,200 meters 1 minute into a match then send in the Ravens. The volley of hate in chat is hilarious.

#28 Koniving

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

View Postjeffsw6, on 16 March 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Just to comment on your i7 gtx680 vs 30" display post, I think a really good monitor is a better investment than a really good computer. I have had the same Dell 30" display for at least 8 years but I've upgraded my computer twice in that time; and I am thinking about upgrading it again soon.

A good monitor will probably still be good in 5 or 10 years. Not so for a top-end video card.

EDIT: To provide some specifics, my gaming PC is a Phenom II X6 1090T 3.2GHz with 8GB RAM and a GTX460. The "Windows Experience Index" is 6.9. That is basically two or three generations out-of-date. However, it plays MWO very well.

This^

Some time ago I came into possession of my father's monitor. At the time it was maybe 260 or less. It runs 4:3 1600x1200 although I run a 720 resolution for youtube recordings usually. He had it since 2004. While the monitors that came with third new computer since the hurricanes in Florida weren't able to upgrade from SVGA to DVI, my old man's monitor did. I'm on my fifth new computer. This is still my old man's monitor.

In the other room is a 42 inch screen that was thrown out by some yuppie because it stopped working. The fuse blown. A 4 to 10 dollar replacement job. It can do the same. However I have to admit I've grown attached to this monitor.

Point is, a good monitor is always important to not skimp on. Especially one that is crisp, clear, and has lots of quality pixels. Sometimes those pixels help me. For instance, sniping on caustic valley. All that dust? Some switch to thermals. Sure that helps. I switch to night vision. The added scan lines clear up the dust effects. Quite nice.

Rawr. Boom.

#29 Dreadnought13

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

fascinating. I snipe in pretty much every game I play (yea... im that guy), especially when its robot smashing. 20" led monitor, 1600x900. I'm totally on board with turning off blur and post processing, using thermal vision, etc, but I do find the Advanced Zoom useful, just not as a constant thing due to the difficulty lining up a shot, but if the only thing I can see of a Cat is a mickey mouse ear, sometimes its a lot easier to make out with AZ, and on some maps I find thermal vision to be a nuisance due to ambient temperature or nearby heat sources that make it more difficult to discern my target (and playing since MWII, I know where to aim on near any mech). So I dont ALWAYS use the zoom, just when thermal fails at a distance, sometimes the zoom will help send my gauss rounds where I want. granted, I only use it on my Ilya due to cost.

EDIT: I should note that ahrdware wise, my comp is midgrade, but enough to run MWO on high. Nostromo helps, but having a mouse with push button DPI adjustment on the fly helps me a ton.

Edited by Dreadnought13, 16 March 2013 - 04:36 PM.


#30 Valdemaar

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:59 PM

View Posttuokaerf, on 16 March 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

Another fun tactic if you want to be a ****, try to leg mediums and lights with 6 ER PPCs from 1,200 meters 1 minute into a match then send in the Ravens. The volley of hate in chat is hilarious.


I've done that by accident actually. On Alpine I legged a Treb before he ducked behind a mountain about a kilometer away. By the time we entered close combat several minutes later my team was confused as to why a one legged Treb was limping behind a mountain.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:35 AM

View PostValdemaar, on 18 March 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:


I've done that by accident actually. On Alpine I legged a Treb before he ducked behind a mountain about a kilometer away. By the time we entered close combat several minutes later my team was confused as to why a one legged Treb was limping behind a mountain.


Legging lights is always fun, even better when you leg that Raven that's lost all it's weapons... I had to put down the poor guy because he was in my cap, I'll never forget the way he just looked at me.

#32 Sedant

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:45 AM

People hitting you accurately at range have likely made changes to their user config files to clean the game up. I personally have made some tweaks and unlike previous posts in this thread do not use thermal vision for sniping as I have crystal clear vision on day maps as most of the motion blur has been cleaned up in my config file. 4X zoom is also now very usable to anyone else who has made changes to their user config file. Now before people go shouting hacks, because it isn't..... You can find several edited config files posted on this very forum. All you need to do is copy and paste the entire thing into your empty user config file and play around and adjust the settings until you get something you are comfortable with. You can adjust many things including improving textures in night and thermal visions, but it really cleans up the normal view the best. Hopefully this sheds some insight into your current dilemma and I highly suggest playing around with a user config file that best suits your computer as there are multiple options from multiple posters with different system specs to base your selection off of.

#33 Osis

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:50 AM

View PostDreadnought13, on 16 March 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

does nobody snipe with an advanced zoom installed?


Depends on the map, works much better on Alpine and expect it to be good on the new Desert map today. Other maps not so much, big thing is keep moving...

At distance it forces the Mechwarrior to lead you and any zig-zag motion will make it tough to hit you (so do not walk in a straight line).

Regards,

#34 Mercules

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:52 AM

View PostWintersdark, on 16 March 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

This is how. No config editting, no hacks. Testing grounds make this so much easier to show.

Notice the Awesome in the top left, he's 1555m out. You can clearly see his limbs, it would be trivially easy to pick them apart at that range.


Yup... that is what I see as well with nothing set that you can't change as a slider in game. Solid computer and GPU makes picking out mechs easy even at great distances. After that it is all down to practice and smooth mouse control.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:48 AM

View PostMercules, on 19 March 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:


Yup... that is what I see as well with nothing set that you can't change as a slider in game. Solid computer and GPU makes picking out mechs easy even at great distances. After that it is all down to practice and smooth mouse control.

And keep your torso only partially twisted. At long ranges it'll confuse the sniper in over or under leading giving you a moments heads up that **** is headed for your fan. Remember that a good sniper corrects quickly.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:19 PM

another example of how distorted this game is from it's origins. this kind of precision is outside of what is feasible for the kind of suystems on battlemechs.

Edited by MasterErrant, 19 March 2013 - 02:23 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostKoniving, on 16 March 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:


How does that old saying go for computers? "Your rules are not my rules."
Remember:
Your resolution is not my resolution.
What may be 4 or 5 pixels to you could be 30 or more for me if I'm running a higher resolution or settings.
Some people play at above 1080p, because that's for little girls with wimpy computers. Sniper enthusiasts tend to be running 2560x1600, leaving the consoles (PS5, xbox 1440) after the next gen consoles (PS4, new xbox 720) in the dust in 2013.


Or they just go in and change their config files to basically exploit them.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

View PostTB Azrael, on 19 March 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:


Or they just go in and change their config files to basically exploit them.
Look at my screenshots on page one. That's from in game settings only. There's no exploiting going on, no game file changes except increased fov for my very wide monitor - that if anything makes sniping harder. The overall clarity and look however is nothing but in game settings.

#39 Heinreich

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:52 AM

Wish I knew the advanced zoom was trash before I invested in it. It looks like someone smeared vaseline in the middle of my screen whenever I use it :)

#40 T0rmented

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:25 AM

heinreich fear not the devs did announce they are looking at tweaking advanced zoom, one day it may have use





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