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[Catamount]

Long Wang, on 25 January 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

I see you choose most of your friends based on the OS they use.

HAH!

You've just won an internet

Dlardrageth, on 25 January 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

This is relevant because he wanted to be obnoxious before a random Linux user got the chance...

Like a friend of mine used to say: "The problem with Apple is not really its pricing, it's not the 'better than thou' attitude, it's the majority of people using their equipment for the most part!" Point in case here I'd say.

You know, not long ago, a friend of mine once accused me of reflexively hating Apple because I was ragging on people who use Apples, to which I retorted "No, I actually like Apple in a lot of ways; I just hate most Apple users".

Credit where credit is due the company, sometimes because they're genuinely inventive, and sometimes because they succeed at convincing their user base that it's okay for them to charge three times more for the same machine. I'd say that's a business win on both ends

Still, Apple fans...

Edited by Catamount, 26 January 2012 - 05:04 AM.

[Catamount]

As for actually supporting it on the Mac OS, look, if you people are really spending the $1200 minimum to get an Apple that's kind of passable at gaming, or the $2700 minimum to get something that's actually decent (the price to take a Mac Pro and stick a 5870 in there with one outdated Nehalem quad core...yes... Apple convinces people to pay $2700 for that...), I think you guys can afford the $100 for a Windows license.

Edited by Catamount, 26 January 2012 - 05:09 AM.

[Chuckie]

Mech The Dane, on 06 November 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

Blah. That's really annoying. =(

No Apple drones are really annoying..

[Gremlich Johns]

Mr. Smiles, on 06 November 2011 - 07:51 PM, said:

However, this game is made in the Unreal 3 engine, which isn't Windows-only, it's fairly cross-compatible.

Umm, crytek3 engine, not unreal 3

[Jasperodus]

What is the point of discussing which system is better or who is more stupid?
Personally I am foolish enough to be comfortable working and playing with Macs, and if not on this platform do not play this game.
To put Windows on my Mac is not an option. I've suffered for too many years working with it use 'only' to play. Although I like Mechwarrior not worth it for me.

[Catamount]

Cool Story Bro.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Jasperodus, on 30 January 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:

What is the point of discussing which system is better or who is more stupid?
Personally I am foolish enough to be comfortable working and playing with Macs, and if not on this platform do not play this game.
To put Windows on my Mac is not an option. I've suffered for too many years working with it use 'only' to play. Although I like Mechwarrior not worth it for me.

There is a reason games are designed for windows platforms prior to Mac, and its not because Macs are unpopular its because like laptops they are not great gaming machines, the difference with Macs is it requires developers to waste more time coding for it to run on a sub standard not fit for purpose expensive door stop.

The fault lies with the people who purchased a Mac to match the cool kids.

Edited by DV^McKenna, 30 January 2012 - 08:26 AM.

[Harrow]

Draziwrm, on 25 January 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

If you choose to ignore the growing Macintosh computer base ... too bad for you. Because if there is no native Macintosh client for this game ... then I (and 80% of my friends) won't be playing this game.

You guys ignored the real gem in this post! 20% of his friends are going to tell him to go eff himself...

[Jasperodus]

Yu really need to spot thinking that other people use Mac, or Playstation or anything, because they are not as smart as you.
Then we can start to speak.
Meanwhile, is obvious that PC is majoritarian platform. I only would help to make note the developers that other platforms could be significant.
They choose for the graphics excellence by high DirectX specialization, and is a compressible choice.
But meanwhile, I'll continue to playing Battlestar Galactica Online… Not as spectacular for sure, but nice anyway.

[Gremlich Johns]

Apple computers did not go above 5-6% market share until the company started putting Intel chips into their equipment. Until that happened, people didn't want to go Apple because you couldn't run Outlook or Word (well or if at all) on them at that time. Also, once market share reached 15%, hackers and other malcontents started targeting the Macs for invasion. So much for the vaunted "more secure" label.

Macs are only good for what they are intended for - expensive word processors, browser and content delivery platforms. CAD and other graphics intensive programs - and that latter caveat means games, are now performed more efficiently on PCs for significantly less. (Though I wish Amiga was still around. Or even the NeXt machines)

Macs are not gaming machines, never have been (well, remember Harpoon?). They are just simple, extremely easy to use, productivity devices that you have to send away to get fixed if it breaks. Gotta love Apples business model!! Keep the Mac you have and, like others have recommended, build yourself a sub-$1000 gaming machine. But, if you have that kind of disposible income for a $2700 Mac, go ahead. It's your money. Just buy OS7 64-bit so you can play MWO.

[Catamount]

Gremlich Johns, on 30 January 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Apple computers did not go above 5-6% market share until the company started putting Intel chips into their equipment. Until that happened, people didn't want to go Apple because you couldn't run Outlook or Word (well or if at all) on them at that time. Also, once market share reached 15%, hackers and other malcontents started targeting the Macs for invasion. So much for the vaunted "more secure" label.

Macs are only good for what they are intended for - expensive word processors, browser and content delivery platforms. CAD and other graphics intensive programs - and that latter caveat means games, are now performed more efficiently on PCs for significantly less. (Though I wish Amiga was still around. Or even the NeXt machines)

Macs are not gaming machines, never have been (well, remember Harpoon?). They are just simple, extremely easy to use, productivity devices that you have to send away to get fixed if it breaks. Gotta love Apples business model!! Keep the Mac you have and, like others have recommended, build yourself a sub-$1000 gaming machine. But, if you have that kind of disposible income for a $2700 Mac, go ahead. It's your money. Just buy OS7 64-bit so you can play MWO.

This.

Look, I'm not going to say someone is dumb for buying a Mac. It's not my thing, but if you really like having your OS present itself slightly differently so much, that you're willing to spend two to four times as much for the same hardware (that gap gets bigger and bigger the more money you spend, approaching 4x at the high end), or you really need a status symbol to carry around Starbucks that badly... hey, it's your money, more power to you.

What is dumb is buying a Mac and expecting it to be a gaming platform. As I noted, it's $1200 ($1199 IMac) to get a Mac that's passable at gaming, not good, but passable, meaning it can kind of, sort of physically play games (and not well). It's $2700 for something that even kind of remotely decent, in other words, something that's middle-of-the-road (and would work as well as a $700-$800 PC). Even then, you're stuck with an OS that's still a minority, and restricted largely to non gaming-cabable computers (many Macs, if not most, can't play games at all in any meaningful capacity), which means you're using an OS that by its very nature, would be a waste of time to code games for, because it's not used on many computers (comparitively), and most that it is used on wouldn't be able to play those games anyways.


TL;DR: There should be no expectation for the majority of games to migrate to OSX. Either get a copy Windows, a tiny expense if you've already payed the exorbitant price of a gaming-capable Mac, or get a PC.

Edited by Catamount, 30 January 2012 - 05:18 PM.

[Gwenora Scorpse]

Or just be like me: a former Windows person who used to build his own PCs who migrated to a Mac because he got tired of dealing with viruses (yes, you may insert snarky **** joke here. I know you're going to anyways. ), and will be building a Windows system just so I can play this (and because I still know how to). But I'll still use my Mac for everything else. And, believe me, 90% of Apple users/snobs/elitists **** me off, too. Life's too short for that crap.

Come on, Piranha, drop the hardware specs so I can start budgeting!

[Vulpesveritas]

Gwenora Scorpse, on 07 February 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Or just be like me: a former Windows person who used to build his own PCs who migrated to a Mac because he got tired of dealing with viruses (yes, you may insert snarky **** joke here. I know you're going to anyways. ), and will be building a Windows system just so I can play this (and because I still know how to). But I'll still use my Mac for everything else. And, believe me, 90% of Apple users/snobs/elitists **** me off, too. Life's too short for that crap.

Come on, Piranha, drop the hardware specs so I can start budgeting!

$50 says that an AMD A8-3850 with decent RAM will be able to play the game at atleast minimum settings @ 720p.

[Gwenora Scorpse]

Vulpesveritas, on 07 February 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

$50 says that an AMD A8-3850 with decent RAM will be able to play the game at atleast minimum settings @ 720p.

No bet. It's been awhile since I paid attention to PC parts and specs. Need to start researching...

[Kaemon]

Jasperodus, on 30 January 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

Yu really need to spot thinking that other people use Mac, or Playstation or anything, because they are not as smart as you.
Then we can start to speak.
Meanwhile, is obvious that PC is majoritarian platform. I only would help to make note the developers that other platforms could be significant.
They choose for the graphics excellence by high DirectX specialization, and is a compressible choice.
But meanwhile, I'll continue to playing Battlestar Galactica Online… Not as spectacular for sure, but nice anyway.

other platforms like Andriod? Cause Apple isn't significant...yet.
http://www.w3schools...browsers_os.asp


BSGO, huh? how's the chat function working for mac users? They ever get that 'breaks every patch' bug figured out?

Boy it was great flying around for 2 weeks not being able to talk to anyone.
So much for the 'Mac' support (where did that thread go btw, they're used to be one on the main page of the forums during Beta and Go-Live).

That game is a train wreck (and I was there from waaaay before the battle stars came out, when it was almost a fun game...almost.)

[guardiandashi]

I am a pc tech also and while I am not willing to own an apple icomputer (joke) I don't have a serious problem with apples bisness model per say I do NOT appreciate being lied to.

This was an actual experience.

My mom and I were shopping for a new pc for her ~3 years ago, we looked at the pc's and had pretty much narrowed down what pc mom was going to get, when she decided she wanted to go look at the macs, the mac sales person told my mom "any mac is going to outperform ANY pc because hardware DOES NOT MATTER." at that point I immediately walked away.

as i was looking at the hardware specs I noticed something interesting, the $1300, 13" apple macbook had the exact same hardware as the $400 hp laptop. and by exact same I mean it used the same cpu, had ~the same amount and same speed/type of ram, and the same gpu.

now to be fair, because of apples limited hardware support (only apple certified hardware configs work) apple can optimize their software for the hardware better and tweek a bit better performance out of the same hardware, and I will accept that arguement.

but you CANNOT tell me that an intel i3 2ghz processor with intel graphics, and 2gb ram is going to perform the same as an intel i7 960 @ 3.2 ghz with 18+ gb ram and a nvidia 460gtx gpu, with 1gb video ram I am sorry there is only a certain amount of bs that you can shovel in my direction.

now I work for a remote pc software repair company, and I have been a oem certified hardware repair tech in the past and from what I have seen/read microsoft still maintains between ~80, and 90% of the active os's world wide, because of this windows is a HUGE target for virus/malware breeders IE if you have to do roughly the same amout of work are you going to go after the target that will get you ~9 out 10 pc's or the target that will get you ~0.4-0.6 computers out of every 10

the other thing is that most windows infections that I see are what I am going to call scam or nusance attacks, they degrade the performance of the pc, or start popping up false advertising messages. additionally microsoft has published in excess of 90% of the information on how the windows security model works, not things like the specific names of the modules perhaps but whatr the module does and in general how it does it.

apple however has historically gon with the idea of "security through obsurity" ie we won't tell you what our security models do, how they do it or anything beyone insert security here.

the problem is that when the malware breeders turn their attention to apple, they get infected so fast and so badly its not funny.

With modern windows based pc's certain functions are prohibited from being triggered by an application without multiple levels of lockouts (ie its very hard to get a malware to issue "format C:" and get it to accually occur... apple os? not so much

[Will Hung]

I just discovered that this game won't have a native Linux version either. I so hate Mechwarrior and all of you guys now, and 81% of my friends are going to ignore this game too! WINDOWS SUCKS!

[Vincent Vascaul]

Ah Macs, they are just about the only apple product I dont hate, I cant stand the phones or MP3 players but macbooks are very pretty. The fact of the matter is that no OS company be it Apple o Microsoft is perfect. Vista was a virus magnet almost by design (ok thats a little bit of hyperbole but you get the point) Apple is woefully inept when it comes to actual protection not to mention that Mac users can be such asshats that it makes you want to develope a virus just for them. My mother used to get malware on her vista PC every month till i upgraded her to win 7 now nothing no a single one for months. I run win 7 and Linux and never have issues and I not even use anti spyware just a basic fire wall and common sense. A well built PC is a Crotch Rocket that can do insane things but will kill you if you make a mistake, a Mac is a tricycle safe and retro and if that works for you great, what Mac users need to understand is that its still a tricycle its in no way shape or form on the same level or equal to a PC not now and prolly not ever. Don't try and tell me what a mac does cause it will never do what I need it to. its not apples and oranges here its a steam engine vs fission and theres no point debating it.

Edited by Vincent Vascaul, 09 February 2012 - 08:22 AM.

[Catamount]

Will Hung, on 09 February 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

I just discovered that this game won't have a native Linux version either. I so hate Mechwarrior and all of you guys now, and 81% of my friends are going to ignore this game too! WINDOWS SUCKS!

NO U!

[Catamount]

Also... people get viruses on their PCs?

Avira catches just about anything that ever comes near my PC, and doesn't bother me in the meantime (it's very light on resources, and doesn't stop other programs from running properly).


The one time I got something it didn't catch, it was a popup type virus that spurted annoying messages disabled most programs from running (by telling Windows executables weren't executable, prompting the "select a program to run this file" dialogue).


Steps to removing it?

1.) Open task manager

2.) Find the program for the popup, Go To Process

3.) Open File Location, DELETE

4.) Restart machine

5.) ???

6.) Profit


That's the most intrusive problem I've had in three years that I didn't pay Apple $1000 to save me from (three years meaning since Windows 7's launch; yes I was using it as my primary OS since beta, it was that stable).


See how I was able to avoid the need for a Mac just by having rudimentary computing skills that there's no excuse to not have anymore?

Edited by Catamount, 09 February 2012 - 03:26 PM.