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[Teralitha]

Been playing around on testing grounds, and ..OMG you guys made the head hitbox on a cataphract so tiny you cant even find it. I was chainfiring small lasers around to find the cockpit on different mechs and I managed to get 2 hits on the head of the cataphract before I destroyed it through the CT. That is crazy, It is easier to hit the cockpit of a jenner than it is of a stationary cataphract. Seriously PGI, you made it way to small. Even the Atlas cockpit was bigger and easier to find..

Edited by Teralitha, 16 March 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[armyof1]

Seems like there was an over-reaction when they fixed the headshot hitbox once on the CTF because it was too big. Instead it is ridiculously small now.

[Felbombling]

The Cataphract cockpit is dead center of the Center Torso, so if you're shooting center mass on the Mech you still have a good chance to hit the noggin. That is much different than aiming high at an actual cockpit on most Mechs, which gives you a chance to miss high completely. When the Cataphract first came out, the cockpit was huge, almost all the canopy if I recall, and they had to do something. Now the cockpit is simply the central canopy pane. Seems like a good balance to me.

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

StaggerCheck, on 16 March 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

The Cataphract cockpit is dead center of the Center Torso, so if you're shooting center mass on the Mech you still have a good chance to hit the noggin. That is much different than aiming high at an actual cockpit on most Mechs, which gives you a chance to miss high completely. When the Cataphract first came out, the cockpit was huge, almost all the canopy if I recall, and they had to do something. Now the cockpit is simply the central canopy pane. Seems like a good balance to me.

It's not even the whole central canopy pane, it's just the middle 1/3 of it. I had basically the same experience as the OP when looking for it, but I did actually find it on the second try.

I personally don't care, I'm not the dude running around with a 40pt alpha looking for head shots, but it is silly-tiny.

[Felbombling]

Warrax the Chaos Warrior, on 16 March 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

It's not even the whole central canopy pane, it's just the middle 1/3 of it. I had basically the same experience as the OP when looking for it, but I did actually find it on the second try.

I personally don't care, I'm not the dude running around with a 40pt alpha looking for head shots, but it is silly-tiny.

Ok, but if we look at the Atlas, the eye socket is the cockpit hitbox. Is that roughly the same size as the Cataphract head hitbox? Hey, wait a second... let's not forget the massive head hitbox on the Catapult while we're at it. I've seen video of pop-tart 3Ds killing Catapult after Catapult after Catapult in one game. So sad.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

StaggerCheck, on 16 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Ok, but if we look at the Atlas, the eye socket is the cockpit hitbox. Is that roughly the same size as the Cataphract head hitbox? Hey, wait a second... let's not forget the massive head hitbox on the Catapult while we're at it. I've seen video of pop-tart 3Ds killing Catapult after Catapult after Catapult in one game. So sad.

Hey I've done that before! Its so fun

[Kaspirikay]

Oh man I love going against other catapults in my k2. BOOMHEADSHOT BOOMHEADSHOT BOOMHEADSHOT

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

StaggerCheck, on 16 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Ok, but if we look at the Atlas, the eye socket is the cockpit hitbox. Is that roughly the same size as the Cataphract head hitbox? Hey, wait a second... let's not forget the massive head hitbox on the Catapult while we're at it. I've seen video of pop-tart 3Ds killing Catapult after Catapult after Catapult in one game. So sad.

Well yea, but it's the whole eye, so it's easy to find. The OP had trouble finding it on the 'phract because it doesn't have any visible boundaries, it's only one part of the square.

Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but your response sounds... antagonistic? I wasn't arguing with you, just elaborating on what you said. I'm not sure what Catapults have to do with what we were talking about, neither the OP nor I mentioned those.

[OneEyed Jack]

It's actually a lot smaller than a Jenner. If you look at the hit box on a Jenner, it's all the cockpit windows and the top panel of the head. I think it may actually be the largest head hit box in the game. But it's so far out in front of the main body bass that it's not going to get aimed at much.

Even though my main ride is a CTF, I agree it's head hit box is smaller than it should be, and not really center of CT. It's well above center and I don't think I've ever died from a head shot (wasn't playing it that first day before the hotfix). On the other hand, I don't consider it a big deal to anyone except a few head-hunters, so I'm not gonna press the issue.

[Felbombling]

Warrax the Chaos Warrior, on 16 March 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Well yea, but it's the whole eye, so it's easy to find. The OP had trouble finding it on the 'phract because it doesn't have any visible boundaries, it's only one part of the square.

Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but your response sounds... antagonistic? I wasn't arguing with you, just elaborating on what you said. I'm not sure what Catapults have to do with what we were talking about, neither the OP nor I mentioned those.

I was tounge in cheek on that one. I could have ended it with a

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

StaggerCheck, on 17 March 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

I was tounge in cheek on that one. I could have ended it with a

Ah yes, teh smileys It's what makes the internet more human that actual people

[darkfall13]

I remember when you could sneeze at a Cataphract and destroy the cockpit, *ah* good times.

[Tremendous Upside]

Warrax the Chaos Warrior, on 16 March 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

It's not even the whole central canopy pane, it's just the middle 1/3 of it. I had basically the same experience as the OP when looking for it, but I did actually find it on the second try.

I personally don't care, I'm not the dude running around with a 40pt alpha looking for head shots, but it is silly-tiny.

I kinda think its to compensate for how massive the side and center torsos are. Kinda like the size of the CT and head on the catapult balance out the tiny side torsos.

[Davers]

StaggerCheck, on 16 March 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Ok, but if we look at the Atlas, the eye socket is the cockpit hitbox. Is that roughly the same size as the Cataphract head hitbox? Hey, wait a second... let's not forget the massive head hitbox on the Catapult while we're at it. I've seen video of pop-tart 3Ds killing Catapult after Catapult after Catapult in one game. So sad.

And yet, "OMG SPLTKATZ!!!" It's forum logic at it's best. "Lights wreck everything, but my team dropped undertonned and we lost!"

Banky, on 17 March 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

I kinda think its to compensate for how massive the side and center torsos are. Kinda like the size of the CT and head on the catapult balance out the tiny side torsos.

Cataphract side torsos are kinda a joke to hit. Makes you wonder why everyone still puts XLs in their Illya's. Me included.

[Zypher]

Somewhere there was a thread or guide that showed all the head hit boxes, next to the Catapult the Centurion was pretty easy to pop in the head. Most of the mechs actually have head hit boxes about the same size as the Cataphract though.

Catapults are just dumb when it comes to head shots, I can't count how many time I have accidentally head shot them aiming for their CT, they really need to reduce it's size on those.

[Davers]

Zypher, on 17 March 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Somewhere there was a thread or guide that showed all the head hit boxes, next to the Catapult the Centurion was pretty easy to pop in the head. Most of the mechs actually have head hit boxes about the same size as the Cataphract though.

Catapults are just dumb when it comes to head shots, I can't count how many time I have accidentally head shot them aiming for their CT, they really need to reduce it's size on those.

I dunno. Having just worked 3 Cataphracts to elite, I don't think I have been headshot yet.

[Warrax the Chaos Warrior]

Zypher, on 17 March 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Somewhere there was a thread or guide that showed all the head hit boxes, next to the Catapult the Centurion was pretty easy to pop in the head. Most of the mechs actually have head hit boxes about the same size as the Cataphract though.

Catapults are just dumb when it comes to head shots, I can't count how many time I have accidentally head shot them aiming for their CT, they really need to reduce it's size on those.

It's pinned under training grounds/guides/general.

http://mwomercs.com/...x-localisation/

I don't think it's completely accurate for the Cataphract; you have to zoom in a bit and draw the square more precisely to see exactly where it is.

[Tremendous Upside]

Davers, on 17 March 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Cataphract side torsos are kinda a joke to hit. Makes you wonder why everyone still puts XLs in their Illya's. Me included.

Yeah... I used to run XLs in all of my CTFs - but with ELO and having been more actively running in 8-mans, it just doesn't seem to work very well. XL + CTF + close quarters = bad times. Even with a standard engine, it's not a very durable mech for brawling. The side torsos still pop off easily and you lose everything in them (usually at least an auto cannon), and on the attached arm...

[Davers]

Banky, on 17 March 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Yeah... I used to run XLs in all of my CTFs - but with ELO and having been more actively running in 8-mans, it just doesn't seem to work very well. XL + CTF + close quarters = bad times. Even with a standard engine, it's not a very durable mech for brawling. The side torsos still pop off easily and you lose everything in them (usually at least an auto cannon), and on the attached arm...

This has been my experience as well. I kinda like my Illya, and the 3D is... interesting to play. But They don't do well at brawling, and I've lost my side torsos in 2 volleys to splatcats way too often. I think my 2x will be the first mech I actually sell back. I can't seem to get much milage out of it.

[Impyrium]

I've always thought cockpit hits were more of a luck thing. This isn't a human vs human game, it's a giant 'Mech on 'Mech game.The strategy is in disabling your opponents main limbs, then going into the kill... not instakills, as realistic as they may be.

Ever played MW4? My god, cockpit hits are one in a million...