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Jackson Jax Teller, on 17 March 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

reminds me of ECM

Uh, they actually balanced ECM very quickly with the tag buff that makes it possible for LRM boats to lock on to ECM cloaked mechs at a distance. The only area where ECM is still actually imbalanced is in light vs light combat.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Narcisoldier, on 17 March 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

Uh, they actually balanced ECM very quickly with the tag buff that makes it possible for LRM boats to lock on to ECM cloaked mechs at a distance. The only area where ECM is still actually imbalanced is in light vs light combat.

the guy he quoted was saying something to the effect of "if you need to take it to be competitive, maybe you wanna look at it to see if theres an imbalance"
Given that it can still determine the winners in a game and is all but required to take if youre running a mech that CAN have it, maybe you wanna look at it to see if theres an imbalance

[PaintedWolf]

M4rtyr, on 17 March 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Please, look at what nightcrept said again.

I was just proving to him that its not just people that don't use a weapon/play style that call for nerfs.

Just because a design is good doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed, but when a weapon is out of balance with other weapons it should be brought back into line. Now wether or a not a weapon is balanced has many opinions. I give my opinion and WHY I think as I do. I've said it over and over about SRMs, and LRMs. Yet the best response as to why SRM's should keep their damage increase is because they spread damage out and armor was doubled. Both of which I've explained as being very poor arguements.

I've yet to actually hear someone say pnipoint convergence with 6 PPCs is a good thing, so unless someone comes up with a good reason then obviously you shouldn't increase damage just because SRMs don't break the game like 6 PPCs hitting the same location. Nor have I heard anything near a reasonable explaination to validate increasing damage to only missles because of the armor change when armor was change to slow down kill times in the first place.

So basically you don't see how the fact that missile damage is spread vs concentrated means missiles should do more damage?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

M4rtyr, on 17 March 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

I've yet to actually hear someone say pnipoint convergence with 6 PPCs is a good thing,

Its great if youre the Stalker

[M4rtyr]

PaintedWolf, on 17 March 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

So basically you don't see how the fact that missile damage is spread vs concentrated means missiles should do more damage?

LOL, one has nothing to do with the other. Why?

Well because the pinpoint convergence is breaking the game, its one of the reasons they doubled the armor and still in the extreme cases it allows for coring mechs far too easily. The answer is to not increase missile damage since it can't break things the same way, its to fix the mechanic thats causing the problem and not change ANY of the weapons.

The problem is this is ALOT harder to do for the devs then to just change some numbers and its led os down a long dark path. But if they fixed convergence then you would end up with alsers and balistics spreading their damage out more too.

Now if you try to compare a single SRM vs any other single weapon and whine about the SRM spreading its damge then you need to just shutup and stop playing any Btech related game.

[PaintedWolf]

M4rtyr, on 17 March 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

LOL, one has nothing to do with the other. Why?

Well because the pinpoint convergence is breaking the game, its one of the reasons they doubled the armor and still in the extreme cases it allows for coring mechs far too easily. The answer is to not increase missile damage since it can't break things the same way, its to fix the mechanic thats causing the problem and not change ANY of the weapons.

The problem is this is ALOT harder to do for the devs then to just change some numbers and its led os down a long dark path. But if they fixed convergence then you would end up with alsers and balistics spreading their damage out more too.

Now if you try to compare a single SRM vs any other single weapon and whine about the SRM spreading its damge then you need to just shutup and stop playing any Btech related game.

So basically- You don't like how weapons pinpoint. You don't like the double armor. You don't like missile damage.

[M4rtyr]

PaintedWolf, on 17 March 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

So basically- You don't like how weapons pinpoint. You don't like the double armor. You don't like missile damage.

Wrong again.

Double armor I don't really care about, it was not the best option to go with but it works (to a degree).

As for the convergence, like I said... have yet to see anyone that likes 6 PPC's hitting the same location (stalker pilots excepted Buddah lol).

The reasoning for missile damage increase is just terrible, unless you have something new to bring tot he table. If there is a good reason behind something then I'm game.

Oh might wanna add to your list though, I think the heat system needs LOTS of work.

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