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[Koujo]

Am I wrong to think that an Atlas makes a TERRIBLE missile boat? Every time I start a match and see an Atlas on my team all I can think is "Dear God, don't let it be a missile boat!" Just finished a match where our Atlas had nothing but LRMS, TAG and one PPC. He managed to survive the whole match without so much as getting his paint scratched and dealt a grand total of 95 dmg. Anyone else see these Atlas pilots with similar builds and performance?

[Caladan Nix]

It is a waste considering all the armor and other hardpoints, I feel.

It's an outright disgrace when the LRM's are literally all they have without even some small lasers in the arms.

[Sh4dow78]

i played mine DDC with 3xlrm15+artemis, tag, erppc and uac5 with 280std engine, i was able to do over 1k dmg its not wrong build its bad pilot of the atlass i can rain LRM on 1 enemy and in same time shoot other mech with my erppc+uac5 and its nice

[Koujo]

Scarface1978, on 16 March 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

i played mine DDC with 3xlrm15+artemis, tag, erppc and uac5 with 280std engine, i was able to do over 1k dmg its not wrong build its bad pilot of the atlass i can rain LRM on 1 enemy and in same time shoot other mech with my erppc+uac5 and its nice

The problem I have with that is you cannot dictate range. You're just too slow. If a medium or a couple of lights or maybe just one light gets under within 180m it's all over for you. The only mech I have LRMS on is my Treb, but it does 97 kmph and still has 3 med lasers to deal with lights.

[1453 R]

Stalkers do LRM spam better than Atlases in basically all cases. Atlases are certainly able to bring an LRM rack or two as part of their total arsenal to soften enemies at range or to contribute to their team's early LRM salvos, but an Atlas using his LRMs as his primary weapon, at the expense of the heavy beam or ballistic weapons the chassis is designed to carry, is mostly doing it wrong. A good rule of thumb, for me anyways, is that if a given Atlas isn't using its ballistic slot(s), it's not a well-designed Atlas.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

I would rather delete my game than play Atlas LRM boat...and those ppl should do the same.
Especially if it is D-DC which is better in front line to cover brawlers with ECM and/or counter those little ECM lights...

[Hex Pallett]

You're basically marking yourself an a**hole if you use Atlas as an missile boat.

You have the thickest armor, and you can load tons of CQB weapons without sacrificing too much speed (STD350 is your friend). Not mentioning that there're Stalkers that make much better LRMboats. Atlas - especially DDC - is meant to lead the charge and shield your team against incoming fire.

And you dare standing far behind frontline like a pu**y?

[Royalewithcheese]

100% agree. Atlas is too slow to be a good lurmboat, and it doesn't even have the saving grace of the Stalker's* ridiculous number of missile tubes.

*Controversial opinion: I also think the Stalker isn't good as a lurmboat because it's slooooooow.

[Hex Pallett]

Royalewithcheese, on 16 March 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

*Controversial opinion: I also think the Stalker isn't good as a lurmboat because it's slooooooow.

Can't agree more. In my eye there's only one LRM boat, and that would be Catapult C1.

That thing is true beauty.

[Sh4dow78]

Koujo, on 16 March 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

The problem I have with that is you cannot dictate range. You're just too slow. If a medium or a couple of lights or maybe just one light gets under within 180m it's all over for you. The only mech I have LRMS on is my Treb, but it does 97 kmph and still has 3 med lasers to deal with lights.

if a medium is come close i still can use my ERPPC and my UAC5 to defend myself, and a stalker is MUCH more easy to kill if he get caught alone than a atlass. Iam not talkling its BEST role for an atlas but its not like u are totaly useless.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Does my AS-D with ALRM40 and 2LPL, 2ML count as an unfortunate boat? If so, tough noogies cuz I love that thing. Do great in it in terms of damage dealt, wins and KDR so don't count out the LRM Atlas (although to be fair, I'd never run this build in competitive 8-mans).

[n0e]

Scarface1978, on 16 March 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

if a medium is come close i still can use my ERPPC and my UAC5 to defend myself, and a stalker is MUCH more easy to kill if he get caught alone than a atlass. Iam not talkling its BEST role for an atlas but its not like u are totaly useless.

Lukoi, on 16 March 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

Does my AS-D with ALRM40 and 2LPL, 2ML count as an unfortunate boat? If so, tough noogies cuz I love that thing. Do great in it in terms of damage dealt, wins and KDR so don't count out the LRM Atlas (although to be fair, I'd never run this build in competitive 8-mans).

An Atlas has the most armor of all mechs. You should be the one leading the charge and taking hits while others can advance with you.

If you play an lrm boating atlas you'll most likely stay at the back of the line, you can do damage thats not the problem. The problem is, you're putting all others at risk while you are safe and sound in your fortress.

[Sh4dow78]

to be honest what we talk about now ? if u talking about 8v8 premades ok... LRM atlas might sux but if we talk about PUGs games? what is a diff if i play brawler or lrm ? no 1 will help u anyway... thats why i dont like play atlas on pugs anyway... 1 sec u have whole ur team behind u when u lead attack then 1 sec later all ur team start chase 3l bcoz he have cored CT and all of them want a kill and they leave u in fron of 7 enemy mechs... even if its 1 for 1 its not worth but some ***** is happy bcoz he got a kill even when the game is lost... PUGs games need fast mechs with good dmg. Iam able to do more with my cent than with my DDC and often iam top dmg in team even if we have assaults.

[Stingz]

Trebuchet, Catapult, Stalker, all can sling more missiles, move faster, and be of more use than a 10-tube LRM Atlas.

Don't use 100 tons of brawler for LRM boating, the enemy DDC will steamroll you.

Edited by Stingz, 16 March 2013 - 12:08 PM.

[Demoned]

i carry 2x LRM 10s on my Atlas doesnt mean i sit back tho
As i walk towards the enemy slowly lol, i let off LRM's while i shoot off large lasers,
once out of min range of LRM i let lose with the med and large lasers, as well as the AC10.
most times the enemy is dead without me stopping at all lol

[Lukoi Banacek]

n0e, on 16 March 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

An Atlas has the most armor of all mechs. You should be the one leading the charge and taking hits while others can advance with you.

If you play an lrm boating atlas you'll most likely stay at the back of the line, you can do damage thats not the problem. The problem is, you're putting all others at risk while you are safe and sound in your fortress.

You misunderstand how I play teh Mech then....my goal is to move forward and take prep shots with the LRM's as the enemy tries to close in. I don't sit in the back and shoot in IDF mode. That's too easy to miss with. I prefer to get a target starting around 500m that I can see and soften them up as they try to close...then the LPL's take over. It's been highly effective so far and very fun.

Taking LRM's doesn't necessarily mean sitting in the back trying to blot out the sun. Far from it. Min range is only 180....use that to your advantage aggressively imo. No need to sit back.

[WVAnonymous]

TL;DR

Atlases aren't good as pugs in the front line or the back line compared to other builds.

[John MatriX82]

D-DCs can make a decent LRM boat (I've never used it this way but I've got friends successful with it). The problem is that when you pug or play in small groups.. oh well I do agree that an Atlas outfitted that way is pretty wasted, it should stay to the front line.

[One Medic Army]

DDCs have a huge glaring flaw as LRM carriers:
Lack of energy hardpoints.

If you boat LRMs in a DDC, you're either down to (at best) 1 LPL to scare off light mechs, or you've got no TAG.
You can't count on ballistics to deal with lights, and your missile slots are full of LRMs.

Sure if a Raven comes up you don't instantly get nullified by the ECM, but he can still carve you up with lasers from behind and force you to stop shooting your missiles.

[Karraidin]

Run my DDC with ALRM35, ASRM6, AC5, 2 PPC's. Seems to work fantastically for me and absolutely wrecks enemy DDC's.