60 replies to this topic

[Asylix]

Why.. why would you make your system profiler Windows only... yes i HAVE windows, but i can't use your system profiler because i use Bootcamp and it doesn't allow me to download the .Net Framework i need. Why not just make the "System" Part of the beta profiler writeable? I can GIVE you my specs litterally copy pasted from my system specs, or even give you a Screen Shot of it. Hell i could give you the link to the school site that shows the computer i'm using as it's the one i get for my game design class. My question is can i please, please have some kind of medium so i can apply for the beta! I've been waiting just as long as everyone else to play, and now i'm being shut out...

[Larius]

Hate to sound like a **** but if you want to play games why buy a mac?
Seriously, I see mac uses whining almost every time a new game is getting released. You want to play online games? Buy a PC. You want to play mario? Buy a Wii. You want to post on facebook, use word/excel and show everyone else how cool you are? Buy a mac.

Edited by Larius, 02 June 2012 - 01:35 AM.

[Max Dragon]

They do this because it requires a huge amount of money to cater to a small amount of gamers. Not only do they have to recode certain things, but then provide the same updates that pcs are getting, recode them and provide them for mac users. Trust me, for a starting out mmo this is must to be pc only. It means that the content and money spent on developing is so much better than if they had added mac at launch. Being in developing, This so much more than you think because of the constant update and modifing of your code. Some things cant be transported too and new systems have to be completely built also.

You might think this is unfair, but you are trying to play games on a mac. You might get it to work on a windowbox or something like that, but you will have to see when game launches. Honestly, all my buddies that have macs dont buy them for the games......

[Shivus]

You're not being shut out unless you would have been one of the lucky few to get a beta invite. You'll have the same opportunity everyone else has to buy a founders pack.

That said, games have always been biased against macs, and I find it a bit ironic that a game design class has you using macs.

[LordDeathStrike]

Asylix, on 02 June 2012 - 01:25 AM, said:

Why.. why would you make your system profiler Windows only... yes i HAVE windows, but i can't use your system profiler because i use Bootcamp and it doesn't allow me to download the .Net Framework i need. Why not just make the "System" Part of the beta profiler writeable? I can GIVE you my specs litterally copy pasted from my system specs, or even give you a Screen Shot of it. Hell i could give you the link to the school site that shows the computer i'm using as it's the one i get for my game design class. My question is can i please, please have some kind of medium so i can apply for the beta! I've been waiting just as long as everyone else to play, and now i'm being shut out...

why would you spend 3-5x more money to run games at lower settings on boot camp mac?

honestly, get a pc to run windows/games on. im not saying not to have and use a mac if you must, but its basically a requirement, at least for those that want max ultra settings on a budget of less then a new jetta, to use a pc to game for windows only titles.

hell macs have been pc hardware for a long time now, the only real difference is the OS and price, macs being overinflated in both areas.

Shivus, on 02 June 2012 - 01:39 AM, said:

You're not being shut out unless you would have been one of the lucky few to get a beta invite. You'll have the same opportunity everyone else has to buy a founders pack.

That said, games have always been biased against macs, and I find it a bit ironic that a game design class has you using macs.

in the old days when macs had their own hardware and os they were pretty snazzy and user friendly, these days its just expoitation of fanboys. now that jobs passed away i suspect itll only get worse.

[Beazle]

Maybe because the point of a Beta TEST is to, well, TEST things, and, at this point they're not as interested in testing Mac compatibility as they are Windows.

PS: There is no Equal-Opportunity Act for computers. Cope.

[Faenwulf]

It is so unfair that MWO does not support my Ubuntu Linux as well as all the other Linxu Distributions!


Oh, wait. Thats why I have a Windows XP partition for games.
Nevermind.


Besiedes, tell your peers that using a Mac for Game Design is like using a flame thrower to tend roses. Pretty-damn-dumb.

[latdheretic]

Sadly having a Mac used to mean something from a hardware standpoint. Software wise, I would rather use the Unix based kernal rather than windows except most games are not built to be Mac Compatible.

However the OP's point does have some merit as I recall reading a dev journal or Q&A, stating that he was able to play on his mac using bootcamp. So the mac ought to be able to run the game. On the other hand I suspect that running it on a Mac will be doable, but unsupported, and therefor unlikely to be a Beta build they are intertested in.

[Alareth]

I'm going to print up Beta Bingo cards. They will use common cliched complaints instead of numbers.

Complaints about Mac compatibility may be on the cards more than once.

[trycksh0t]

Hmm...you just registered today, yet you've been waiting as long as everyone else? Your first post on the forums is a whining, horribly written, self-entitled rant about how it's so unfair that you aren't getting what you think you deserve. Nice. If you have any intention of being taken seriously, or fitting in as a respectable member of the community around here, might want to not sound like such a jerk.

Also, you might want to check the agreement you have with your school about the usage of that computer, as most of them frown upon their equipment being used for personal entertainment.

Also, the first thing on the FAQ section states:
Q. Will MechWarrior® Online™ be PC exclusive?

A. At this time we have no plans to take MechWarrior® Online™ to any other platforms.

So, for beta testing (As in testing the beta for bugs, hardware issues, etc...) your Mac is useless to them.

latdheretic, on 02 June 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:

Sadly having a Mac used to mean something from a hardware standpoint. Software wise, I would rather use the Unix based kernal rather than windows except most games are not built to be Mac Compatible.

However the OP's point does have some merit as I recall reading a dev journal or Q&A, stating that he was able to play on his mac using bootcamp. So the mac ought to be able to run the game. On the other hand I suspect that running it on a Mac will be doable, but unsupported, and therefor unlikely to be a Beta build they are intertested in.

I think you mean this one.

Kyle Polulak, on 11 January 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

I use a Mac as my primary machine. Using an Apple computer, unless it's over 5 years old, will not hamper your ability to play PC games.

If you haven't heard of it yet, (Bootcamp)

<a class="bbc_url" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Camp_(software)" rel="nofollow external" title="External link">http://en.wikipedia....Camp_(software)
http://www.apple.com...patibility.html

Edit - Additional stuff...

Edited by trycksh0t, 02 June 2012 - 02:04 AM.

[pursang]

MW:O is being developed for Windows PCs - not Macs - so why would the profiler collect Mac information?

Next time use your noggen before you post.

[Shivus]

latdheretic, on 02 June 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:

Sadly having a Mac used to mean something from a hardware standpoint. Software wise, I would rather use the Unix based kernal rather than windows except most games are not built to be Mac Compatible.

LordDeathStrike, on 02 June 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

why would you spend 3-5x more money to run games at lower settings on boot camp mac?

honestly, get a pc to run windows/games on. im not saying not to have and use a mac if you must, but its basically a requirement, at least for those that want max ultra settings on a budget of less then a new jetta, to use a pc to game for windows only titles.

hell macs have been pc hardware for a long time now, the only real difference is the OS and price, macs being overinflated in both areas.


in the old days when macs had their own hardware and os they were pretty snazzy and user friendly, these days its just expoitation of fanboys. now that jobs passed away i suspect itll only get worse.

Apple has indeed been slipping. Even as recently as windows Vista there was a reason to use snow leopard from a functionality standpoint. However Windows 7, even the fixed Vista bridged much of the remaining gap, it still feels like windows, but as I also have to use macs from time to time, the overall difference in functionality between the two is minimal. And I hear from many sources that lion is an absolute mess of an OS.

[bawchicawawa]

Moral of the story.

Don't buy an over priced, over rated mac. Don't buy an overpriced/cruddy pc from an oem.
BUILD YOUR OWN COMPUTERS...>.< You could be half brain dead and know how to build a comp, it's not hard... AT ALL...

[John Clavell]

You have to submit the data from 'Windows' via Bootcamp, not OSX. Otherwise it will highlight your discreet graphics card, not the dedicated one. If you play on Bootcamp, you'll also want to update Direct X and your Nvidia / ATI drivers as the standard Bootcamp ones are years old. Also, people who only can contribute stuff like "Macs are **** for gaming". How is that even constructive to what the OP is asking?

Edited by John Clavell, 02 June 2012 - 03:00 AM.

[Meth0s]

Since you can get a free beta release of Windows 8 at the moment, perhaps you can install that and see if the script works on it?

[CaveMan]

John Clavell, on 02 June 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

How is that even constructive to what the OP is asking?

Mac's gaming support is historically bolllocks. That's simply the reality. Mac is a small market share and Apple doesn't do much to facilitate gaming on their systems, so developers have little incentive to spend the effort to support the platform. If you're using a Mac and expect to play a lot of games, you're going to be frequently disappointed.

[John Clavell]

CaveMan, on 02 June 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

Mac's gaming support is historically bolllocks. That's simply the reality. Mac is a small market share and Apple doesn't do much to facilitate gaming on their systems, so developers have little incentive to spend the effort to support the platform. If you're using a Mac and expect to play a lot of games, you're going to be frequently disappointed.

That's why you use Bootcamp. Yes, Apple support for gaming on OSX is lackluster at best. Though, it's a lot better than it was a few years ago. If your looking for a gaming machine, sure don't buy a Mac, your better off just buying a Windows gaming rig. But others who want OS X for work reasons can happily game on their system by dual booting. My issues is that every thread about Macs and gaming descends into the same old, years old flame wars, where people slag each other off. It's not very conducive in 1) informing people about making the right buy when deciding on an Operating System. 2) Helping people solve technical issues.

[TheUncle]

CryEngine 3, the graphics engine on which MWO is running, does not support Macs as it is completely build on top of DirectX (9) which is an integral part of Windows.

EDIT: Oh wait, you are using bootcamp anyways. Sry this post was useless then.

Edited by TheUncle, 02 June 2012 - 03:22 AM.

[LordDeathStrike]

btw you guys, you can just run a hackintosh on your pc if you need osx that bad!

just saiyan..... and unlike a bootcamp mac, a hackintosh wont cost over 9000!

[Oswin Aurelius]

You've already traded your soul for a Mac. Access to Mechwarrior: Online was also traded away in the fine print.