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Edward Steiner, on 20 March 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

DISCLAIMER: I did not say that I would quit playing, I just said that I would not pay any more money on MC, until I get a satisfactory (to myself) explanation of how 3rd person is going to be implemented.

From the poll you make it sound like you would quit playing or stop buying MC even if 3rd person was only something you could do in the Testing Grounds.

[Karyudo ds]

Edward Steiner, on 20 March 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

FACT: I have played every Mechwarrior game for the PC except for Mechwarrior 4.

It had it. And an option to not play with it online though so it's existence was irrelevant. Though I do find it oddly ironic that Only Mechwarrior PC/SNES lacked a 3rd person option up until MWO in a way. Of course MW4 did it badly, very badly.

Edward Steiner, on 20 March 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

DISCLAIMER: I did not say that I would quit playing, I just said that I would not pay any more money on MC, until I get a satisfactory (to myself) explanation of how 3rd person is going to be implemented.

Personally I'd like one as well, the twitter post does seem to suggest 3rd person is coming, out of context. Unless they meant something else by that or it was an in-joke. Sadly no joking is allowed on the internet.

[INSEkT L0GIC]

Third person is canon and part of TT so I support it.

[benjatron]

LAWL, 'breach of contract' awesome, thanks for the lulz. lofty much?

[FupDup]

INSEkT L0GIC, on 20 March 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Third person is canon and part of TT so I support it.

Actually, that's bird's-eye view.

[Rejarial Galatan]

in short, this action of theirs while not only a breach of contract, is a breach of: Truth in Advertising

Edited by Rejarial Galatan, 20 March 2013 - 09:36 PM.

[Gaan Cathal]

zverofaust, on 20 March 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

FACT: Third person view in no way "dumbs down" the game. Call of Duty doesn't have 3PV, but Arma 3, which blows MWO out of the water in terms of realistic simulation, does.

FACT: The "advantage" gained by TPV is marginal at best considering the gameplay design of MWO; there will be no popping out of cover for a quick headshot after scoping someone in 3PV around a corner.

A: COD vs ARMA are not the definitions of 'dumb' and 'not dumb'. Try putting 3PV in any serious competitive (with a small c) gun-violencing game and see the backlash. A better example than ARMA would be Red Orchestra, since it's a team-based shooter, like MWO. And would become a total ghost-town if they implemented 3PV because...

B: It does give a large advantage. It always has, it always will. By it's very nature it's impossible for it not to. As for "there will be no popping out of cover for a quick headshot after scoping someone in 3PV around a corner."...you're either ****** or trolling, since ******* poptarts you ****. They do exactly ******* that.

zverofaust, on 20 March 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

FACT: If you are irrational enough to threaten a boycott because of TPV, you are an unstable person.

Wait. So if I play a game for enjoyment. And then it gets broken - and is therefore not enjoyable - the unstable thing to do is stop playing it? If they made the Bishop move in spirals, I'd probably stop playing chess. If they put noclip in Red Orchestra I'd stop playing that.

Carrioncrows, on 20 March 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

First I would take the time to read up on exactly how 3rd person will effect this game, because.

1. People who choose to use 3rd person will be matched with people who also use third person or like the option to use 3rd person.

2. People who like first person will ONLY be paired with other people who like just 1st person.

In conclusion:

Who the hell cares? Two separate vision modes, two separate player pools, one has no impact on the other.

That's some nice fiction you just pulled out of your arse there. There is no 'reading up on it' because the information hasn't been given to read. You're dual-queue hypothesis is just that, don't present it as fact.

[Zeus X]

3rd person goes in, and PGI can say good bye to a source of income.

[I am]

DCM Zeus, on 20 March 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

3rd person goes in, and PGI can say good bye to a source of income.

.. and hello to three more who replace you.... PLUS... you're not going anywhere anyways, so you staying makes that 4 sources of income, as opposed to one. Besides, anyone who bothers crying on a game community forum about how they are leaving, or wahat must change or they are leaving, is just full of hot air. Plain and simple.

[NocturnalBeast]

I am, on 20 March 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

.. and hello to three more who replace you.... PLUS... you're not going anywhere anyways, so you staying makes that 4 sources of income, as opposed to one. Besides, anyone who bothers crying on a game community forum about how they are leaving, or wahat must change or they are leaving, is just full of hot air. Plain and simple.

Speak for yourself. Are you sure you don't work for PGI or IGP?

[jakucha]

Edward Steiner, on 20 March 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

Speak for yourself. Are you sure you don't work for PGI or IGP?

Edward, you accuse everyone of working for PGI like McCarthy accusing everyone of being a Communist in the '50s. Take off the tinfoil hat.

Edited by jakucha, 20 March 2013 - 09:59 PM.

[zverofaust]

Gaan Cathal, on 20 March 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

B: It does give a large advantage. It always has, it always will.

Advantage implies a situation that benefits one party over another. If everyone has 3rd person view, who exactly gets an advantage?

Everyone.

I won't even get into the rammifications of having 3rd person view in a quasi-simulation environment as opposed to a straight FPS; the differences are astronomical and I'd expect most people to understand them.

[Rejarial Galatan]

I am, on 20 March 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

.. and hello to three more who replace you.... PLUS... you're not going anywhere anyways, so you staying makes that 4 sources of income, as opposed to one. Besides, anyone who bothers crying on a game community forum about how they are leaving, or wahat must change or they are leaving, is just full of hot air. Plain and simple.

and yet, you are so wrong.

[Gaan Cathal]

zverofaust, on 20 March 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Advantage implies a situation that benefits one party over another. If everyone has 3rd person view, who exactly gets an advantage?

Everyone.

I won't even get into the rammifications of having 3rd person view in a quasi-simulation environment as opposed to a straight FPS; the differences are astronomical and I'd expect most people to understand them.

Gaan Cathal, on 20 March 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

B: It does give a large advantage. It always has, it always will. By it's very nature it's impossible for it not to. As for "there will be no popping out of cover for a quick headshot after scoping someone in 3PV around a corner."...you're either ****** or trolling, since ******* poptarts you ****. They do exactly ******* that.

Firstly, I thought I'd put in the full paragraph to include the portion you didn't deign to respond to.

Secondly, it provides an advantage over people using the cockpit view. As in, makes use of 3PV compulsory. Oh sure, you could use cockpit view, you could also drop with an AC/20 and four tons of AC/5 ammo. Yes, there might be a lot of people that want a 3PV mechwarrior game, but there are almost certainly more that want to play FPV - for once the "Srs Bsns Gamerbros" and the "TT Grognards" are actually in agreement there. And you can't have both. Implementing 3PV as an option makes an arena shooter, team or otherwise, a 3PV game.

Thirdly, if you think this is a simulation and not a shooter, you need your brains examined. Ok, it has torso twist. It has a throttle. It has TWO (2!) types of ammo. It even has two reticules. These are superficial. It's not the standard control scheme or hud, but it's still an 8v8 arena shooter.

[RapierE01]

I hope they wont hear to the call of duty Egoshooter super killer Generation and do not implement it.

On Ask the Devs 32 they say:

Fastidious: On NGNG Mechs Devs and Beer #8 Paul mentions replays. Can you provide any more details or vague implementation dates about replays and spectating? Specifically it would be great to be able to spectate before dying (perhaps spectator slots).

A: It’s a reach goal. No firm plans. Better/more camera options for spectacting is a possibility. We’re always sensitive to dead players giving an unfair advantage to those living.


So they wont give dead players a spectator but everybody a 3rd Person? Please not (or only in Training Grounds). If you wanna see your Mech you can go into the Mechlab.

[Ihasa]

I am, on 20 March 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

.. and hello to three more who replace you.... PLUS... you're not going anywhere anyways, so you staying makes that 4 sources of income, as opposed to one. Besides, anyone who bothers crying on a game community forum about how they are leaving, or wahat must change or they are leaving, is just full of hot air. Plain and simple.

Not quite. Because of the IP, this game has a very finite potential playerbase. Most of the interested players already know about this game and have tried it out. Some have left, some have stayed. Player churn can only last for so long until it inevitably turns negative. And since this IP is even smaller than say, Star Trek or Star Wars, my guess is that tipping point would be reached sooner rather than later. The player base potential of people not interested in the IP are the people that come, play and leave every game they ever played anyway and really won't be the bread and butter of this game.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

der langsamere, on 21 March 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

so why the hell is this poll here but mine, which was phrased better and NOT biased gets deleted?

Guess they figure if they can make the anti crowd look as looney as possible the rational people will be those who want it.
(employee alts)

[zverofaust]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 March 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

Guess they figure if they can make the anti crowd look as looney as possible the rational people will be those who want it.
(employee alts)

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Oh and paid shills as I see zvero has shown up.

[Shumabot]

I'm glad its third person thats this games problem, not the horrific weapon balance, awful matchmaking, incompetent scenario design, and horrific map design. It's third person that's going to kill the competition here. It's the third person that's unfair.

Edited by Shumabot, 21 March 2013 - 06:32 AM.